Audi RS4 Avant

For that money do your homework......there are lots of nice cars around for buttons now the fuel price has rocketed......on a performance level, I ran an m3 until last year and at 8.5 tenths it was a better car than the Audi.....the build quality in the Audi is much better and as a daily proposition it's a better bet.....proper 'q' car too, they really are proper quick!....
 
Audi reliability

As a former Audi avant owner I will say this...

I agree with you that the RS4 is a beautiful car...and the Avant is even better. Fast and practical (though the cargo area is not all that large...but still better than a sedan).

HOWEVER...

I would never, ever, ever buy another Audi again. Seriously. The below-average reliability and high cost of maintenance is a serious, serious issue.

Please. Believe. Me.

If you do your homework and really look at the reliability of not just Audis, but all Volkswagen products in general, the picture over time is not pretty. Yes, as new cars, they are beautiful, stylish, lovely, fun machines. But they do not hold up well over time.

I had an Audi allroad wagon (twin-turbo V6, quattro, adjustable air suspension...a really interesting jack-of-all-trades car), and it was a blast to drive...but after several years, I truly came to dread every single visit to the shop. No matter how small I thought my maintenance needs might be going in, every single time, the costs ballooned...and I don't mean by a little. I mean a lot. (Valve cam adjuster seals; exploding radiator fan; control arms; engine mounts; air suspension issues...the list goes on and on.)

I kinda sorta knew all of this when I bought the car, but like a fool in love, I rationalized it...I said to myself, "well, I know it's not as rock-solid as some of the vehicles I've owned before, but I'm sure it's something I can live with..."

And after a while I could not. That car cost me a fortune. And I know it wasn't simply my vehicle...I hung around Audi enthusiast bulletin boards where everyone wore their intimate knowledge of their Audi like a badge of honor, and a labor of love...but the whole point is that everyone got that level of expertise because their Audis were having problems all the time!

Again, do your homework...read up in cold, sober, sensible, consumer magazines that have auto reliability records. Don't let your emotions and that lovely V8 engine get the best of you.

You will thank me, I promise.

Audis are pretty, soulful cars...but I'd never buy one again. Don't do it.
 
to be fair the allroad are a bit breaky and expensive when they do , my 04 passat tdi estate has done just shy of 200,000 miles and its only had a gearbox ,I do have a heavy right foot too ,however I dont think the mechanicals or the running cost's outway the risk of 4 d*ckedds kicking you're front door in for the keys , the very reason i sold my 400bhp skyline,
imo,
Lee
 
Wrong it appears, it was the RS2 that was a joint project. The RS4 is built by Audi's private tuning wing.
 
i almost bought one last year......they are epic cars ignore the MPG, get a custom built exhaust and enjy that V8!
 
a 330 bmw is in a different leauge to the rs4

bmw build quality is not all its cracked up to be

also i used to work in a vw/audi main stealers and yes the lower audi's and vw's are not good at all but once you get into the realms of special build departments (ie audi sports line so rs4/rs6/s8 and vw phaeton and w8 engined passats etc) they build level and quality levels sky rockets upwards big time 8)
 
I respectfully disagree...

Sorry, but I respectfully disagree that the high-end Audi products built by Quattro GmbH, the more exclusive division of Audi (sort of like AMG to Mercedes-Benz) have better build quality and better reliability...the statistics simply don't bear that out.

If anything, the higher-end Audi RS models are more susceptible to maintenance issues AND are more costly to maintain because of 1) their greater complexity and 2) the perceived higher status that these more exclusive cars carry.

Having lived the German car experience, the fact of the matter is that most of those marques have built their reputations on innovation, engineering, design, speed, handling prowess...yes...all of the above...but NOT on reliability.

Anyone who takes the time to research average reliability records over time will see that Audi, VW, and Mercedes are not particularly good (not even the most expensive models), BMW is only slightly better, and the one exception that actually comes out pretty good -- but still not as unassailable in terms of reliability as a Japanese car -- is Porsche. Porsches actually do pretty well.

Now, to be clear...the question of reliability is a very personal decision. I will be the first person to agree that most of the vehicles from all of the brands above are lovely, desirable, (mostly) impressive, and exciting to drive. But one would be foolish to think that they lead the pack in quality. It's the other things one is paying for...the excitement, the engineering innovation, and the soul. But those come at a price.

Many of the folks who are rich enough to afford these cars are willing to pay that price, because they can literally afford to throw their money away on maintenance at a dealership that offers complimentary cafe lattes while you wait to be parted from your money.

But I assure you, unless you are one of those people, i.e. if you are an average bloke like most of us here (and like me), and you aspire to the excitement of an Audi, BMW or Mercedes as a kind of "stretch" goal, you'd better know what you are getting into. It is not easy to afford, and unless you are truly a do-it-yourself, roll-up-your sleeves kind of mechanic, you will pay dearly to maintain those cars.

Again, I loved driving my Audi and it was beautiful. However, at a certain point, as an average person who also has a mortgage, a job, kids to raise, and who also wants some funds to enjoy great hobbies like mountain biking, after a while a vehicular money pit starts to feel really stupid. I felt like a chump for sinking so many dollars, month after month, into....a car. That's right, that's all it is, at the end of a day. A car.

I still remain an avid auto enthusiast, and I am much more selective about what I'd include on a list of cars to seriously consider buying.

On the other specific questions...

It's true that a BMW 330i Touring is not in the same class as an RS4; an M3 wagon, if such a beast existed, would be a better comparison. However, that's not to say that a 330i isn't a very respectable car. And the 3-series BMWs do have decent reliability. Really, let's be serious...unless you're racing someone else, do you think you're really going to feel the difference between 4.5 seconds vs. 5.5 seconds from 0-60? No, you won't. Both will put a silly smile on your face, just the same.

Me, I'd still pick a Porsche or a Japanese performance car over any of the others, any day of the week.
 
my friend has a b5 rs4 avant and it is a fantastic car.

yes it is thirsty but you dont buy a car like this if you need good economy. you do need to factor into the fact they need to be run on super unleaded though if you want to drive them enthusiastically.

he runs a remap company (www.map-tech.co.uk) and is currently running 480bhp. it is scary fast. when i drive it and jump back into my mk2 golf gti it feels painfully slow.

brake discs are rediculously expensive!

he has found his local audi dealer (grimsby) were negotiable on a recent cam belt change (i think they did it for £350 to match an internet price) so bear that in mind. mind you, in london the dealers are probably busier than up here.

in my oppinion the greatest production sleeper ever built. would have one over anything anyday. well perhaps not the rs6
 
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