Aend'e TT , Alan "pongo" braithwaite
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scooter
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Great information cheers,
and yes I agree it's a shame to hide the raw detail with paint layers.
Ive checked the fork steerer but there's no stamping on it .
As for now Are we still going with the Aende frame? With one of those acute accent thingy''s over the E
torqueless":2ewj0we4 said:That is about the most comprehensive photo documentation of a frame/bike that I've seen in a long time.. Thanks.
Seems almost a shame to (re)paint over such workmanship, doesn't it?
I guess the number could be interpreted as 'the thirteenth frame of 1975', which is interesting to me as I have the same thing from another (mystery) builder. Have you checked the fork steerer for a number?
I don't recall what year Aende started. If it is a 1975 frame I guess the default material is 531db, until proven otherwise- (Columbus, Vitus, Ishiwata) If it is, as it looks to be, brazed (brass) rather than silver-soldered, then it is not 753.
Btw- That is not supposed to be an apostrophe in 'Aende', it is supposed to be an acute accent over the final 'E'
Great information cheers,
and yes I agree it's a shame to hide the raw detail with paint layers.
Ive checked the fork steerer but there's no stamping on it .
As for now Are we still going with the Aende frame? With one of those acute accent thingy''s over the E
scooter
Retro Guru
Midlife":7gjxjzly said:
Yeah , I suppose the ones on the Flickr page with the bridge look to have longer chainstays ?
There is this one with the fork crown similarity and a bridge , but it's probably later years
https://flic.kr/p/8q1nM4
https://flic.kr/p/8q1nLi
Would Alan of used the same fork rake ? I mean for a period of time like 1975-77 for example?
torqueless
Senior Retro Guru
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The style of the seatstays/seatlug junction doesn't really fit the bill for either a Cronometro (stays butted to seat tube some distance below the bolt-housing) or a Cronometro Ultralite (stays butted to the bolt-housing). Yours is sort of in-between.
Fwiw as comparison, my 23"c-t Holdsworth Special- a fairly bog standard early eighties 531db road frame- weighs about six pounds- four and a half for the frame and one and a half for the forks. (no headset or BB). Or, if you prefer, about 2050g and 725g.
What is it with you people and apostrophes? They are not "thingy's", they are "thingies". :evil:
My personal opinion, which is based purely on internet information, and zero real-world proximity to either an Aende or a Cronometro, is that your frame is more likely to be an Aende.
The style of the seatstays/seatlug junction doesn't really fit the bill for either a Cronometro (stays butted to seat tube some distance below the bolt-housing) or a Cronometro Ultralite (stays butted to the bolt-housing). Yours is sort of in-between.
Fwiw as comparison, my 23"c-t Holdsworth Special- a fairly bog standard early eighties 531db road frame- weighs about six pounds- four and a half for the frame and one and a half for the forks. (no headset or BB). Or, if you prefer, about 2050g and 725g.
scooter
Retro Guru
I'm in agreement to , i think it was the original paint that i removed with some obvious touch up overspray.
And original decals that had been peeled but left a faint imprint that was visible after rubbing with thinners.
Time to start thinking about paint colour and new decals then ..
And original decals that had been peeled but left a faint imprint that was visible after rubbing with thinners.
Time to start thinking about paint colour and new decals then ..
Midlife
Retro Wizard
I've got 3 Aende's and also a Chronometro and it's not a Holdsworth the problem you have is that at the time everybody was drilling, slotting, filing and cuting because aero was in its infancy
Here's the BB of my Jackson
Not going to make me go faster but a work of art
I don't think your frame is an Aende but certainly a frame builder with a sense of the era and much rarer, deacaling it as an Aende would not be out of place though
the problem you have is that at the time everybody was drilling, slotting, filing and cuting because aero was in its infancy Here's the BB of my Jackson
Not going to make me go faster but a work of art
I don't think your frame is an Aende but certainly a frame builder with a sense of the era and much rarer, deacaling it as an Aende would not be out of place though
vcballbat
Senior Retro Guru
Wow, what a brilliant dump bike Scooter... you've got yourself a cracking 70's time trial bike. The headstock lugs and fork crown shout Holdsworth Chronometro at me and the four digits frame number was used by Holdsworth in the early 70's. I believe this numbering was for factory frames rather than shop built specials. Having uncovered the Aende decals and looking at other frames with drilled lugs and dropouts the similarities and quality of workmanship shout Aende .
Looking forward to seeing the build as I really really love the pared down stance of 70's TT machines.
Looking forward to seeing the build as I really really love the pared down stance of 70's TT machines.
torqueless
Senior Retro Guru
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Well.. as I said, I've never seen an Aende in the flesh, but here's a few observations:
1. The 'bevelling' around the top of the fork crown is distinctive- and I believe I saw the same feature on one of the frames at Scooter's Flickr group?
2. Scooter's frame does appear to have the same sort of fork bend as the red 'n' chrome frame he linked to upthread, and other Aendes: http://hilarystone.com/images/sale%20im ... e-dets.jpg
3. I've seen pics of at least two other Aendes that appear to have a somewhat extended 'barrel' for the rear brake bolt in the middle of the seatstay bridge- a feature which Scooter's frame seems to share, and which is possibly another 'trademark' feature?
4. I cannot think of another builder who was drilling multiple holes in lugs quite like that?
Ken Birds sometimes have one hole each side of the seatlug: http://hilarystone.com/images/sale%20im ... T-dets.jpg It seems Aendes often have three (red 'n' chrome frame) or more: https://www.flickr.com/photos/74418119@ ... otostream/
That frame also has distinctive stay-end treatment identical to that on Scooter's frame. i.e. the chainstays are 'domed', the seatstays are not. Maybe the black frame is the same? Difficult to see with black.
I'm not sure that 'pongo' was even building frames in '75- most of these seem to date from about '79?
Well.. as I said, I've never seen an Aende in the flesh, but here's a few observations:
1. The 'bevelling' around the top of the fork crown is distinctive- and I believe I saw the same feature on one of the frames at Scooter's Flickr group?
2. Scooter's frame does appear to have the same sort of fork bend as the red 'n' chrome frame he linked to upthread, and other Aendes: http://hilarystone.com/images/sale%20im ... e-dets.jpg
3. I've seen pics of at least two other Aendes that appear to have a somewhat extended 'barrel' for the rear brake bolt in the middle of the seatstay bridge- a feature which Scooter's frame seems to share, and which is possibly another 'trademark' feature?
4. I cannot think of another builder who was drilling multiple holes in lugs quite like that?
Ken Birds sometimes have one hole each side of the seatlug: http://hilarystone.com/images/sale%20im ... T-dets.jpg It seems Aendes often have three (red 'n' chrome frame) or more: https://www.flickr.com/photos/74418119@ ... otostream/
That frame also has distinctive stay-end treatment identical to that on Scooter's frame. i.e. the chainstays are 'domed', the seatstays are not. Maybe the black frame is the same? Difficult to see with black.
I'm not sure that 'pongo' was even building frames in '75- most of these seem to date from about '79?
You have seen one yourself Shaun: http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewto ... p;t=361682
