1994 Kona Hei Hei frame

jez-4-bikes-max":1m29gyjq said:
Looks like a 17" to me. Ive owned 18 and 19 and they look completely different. Infact Im dead sure its a 17"

The measurements he's now given are,

ADDITIONAL SIZE INFO: To all the size questions I have received- the center to top of seatpost is 18.1", the center to center is 16.3, and the top tube is 22" from center of headtube to center of seatpost :?

So the seat tube is an 1" longer c to c than an 18" frame but the top tube is about the same as an 18" :?
 
Jones":18hy073a said:
jez-4-bikes-max":18hy073a said:
Looks like a 17" to me. Ive owned 18 and 19 and they look completely different. Infact Im dead sure its a 17"

The measurements he's now given are,

ADDITIONAL SIZE INFO: To all the size questions I have received- the center to top of seatpost is 18.1", the center to center is 16.3, and the top tube is 22" from center of headtube to center of seatpost :?

So the seat tube is an 1" longer c to c than an 18" frame but the top tube is about the same as an 18" :?


kona measured a flat "effective" top tube, while most people with tape measures measure the actual length of the TT - this could account for the difference?
 
From the measurements given, this is a 'modern' (i.e., 94 or later) size 18. The head tube is too short for it to be an 'old' size 18.

The c-c top tube of a modern size 18 is 565mm = 22.2 inches, so if the seller says 22 inches that's surely a close approximation.

The seat tube being 16.3 c-c and 18.1 c-t is just a reflection that some/most/all (who knows?) of the 93-96 Hei Heis had a higher top tube. i.e. a size 18 still had an 18 inch seat tube, but the c-c measure was 16.3 instead of the 18 less 3 equals 15 inches of the normal Kona shape.
 
Well he did well to raise £507 for that frame. When I commented earlier, I hadn’t seen the additional photos he posted, but in fact they made it quite clear that it is a 94-96 size 18, with the higher top tube that most Hei Hei frames had at that time. It also has the bullet-ended stays that Andrew Ling says are characteristic of the TST (Sandvik) built frames. It was quite a well-presented auction in the end, so perhaps that explains the representative price.

I think the confusion over size-recognition arises partly from the high top tube shape of those 94-96 Hei Heis and partly from the fact that the 92 or 93 Hei Hei that Jez posted a picture of isn’t ‘suspension-adjusted’ and therefore has the other different shape that Konas used to have prior to 94. i.e., it has the longer 15cm head tube that size 19s had then, which makes it look almost like a modern size 20. It doesn’t have bullet-ended stays and Andrew says that means it was made by Merlin and not Sandvik.

Just to clarify, Kona increased the length of the P2 fork by 2cms from 94 onwards to make it vaguely equal in length to a sagged 50mm travel suspension fork. So at the same time they made the head angle steeper to give 71 degrees with a 41cm fork (previously 39cm) and they reduced the headtube lengths by 2cms to keep the handlebar height the same – size 18 from 13cms to 11, size 19 from 15cms to 13 and size 20 from 17cms to 15.

So no wonder it’s confusing!
 
gutted i was just out bid on this :( i was a bit put off the size though the higher top tube looks like it makes the rear triangle a lot bigger. a small rear end is what i like about kona frames, can anyone tell me if this rides much diferent to the standard konas?
 
Yeah, I just got outbid at the last second,so in a moment of madness bid more than I was gonna on the Fat chance,then won it!The missus is gonna kill me!
 
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