The shape of things to come....

Id say the service stock and tooling to deal with 10 average bike services is twice as much, and twice the price of when I started in 95.

We still have 2 sizes of cotter pin mind.
 
Nope, the shape of things to come is already here.

I was restoring an old funny bike, and I walked into a bike shop and told the kid I needed a 650c road tyre.

He laughed at me and said "No, road tyres are 700. 650 "B" is 27.5 mountain bike. There's no such thing as 650 "C"." Then he shook his head and laughed again.

Obviously the little snot had never seen a triathlon bike or a junior road bike with 650C wheels, but it was clear that he had never seen anything older than the previous Tuesday.

Rather than waste my time educating the little house brick with acne, I walked out. He probably still tells his friends how HE educated ME. Sigh...

Shops like that are the reason I vowed never to restore something with a French or Swiss BB standard.
 
Nope, the shape of things to come is already here.

I was restoring an old funny bike, and I walked into a bike shop and told the kid I needed a 650c road tyre.

He laughed at me and said "No, road tyres are 700. 650 "B" is 27.5 mountain bike. There's no such thing as 650 "C"." Then he shook his head and laughed again.

Obviously the little snot had never seen a triathlon bike or a junior road bike with 650C wheels, but it was clear that he had never seen anything older than the previous Tuesday.

Rather than waste my time educating the little house brick with acne, I walked out. He probably still tells his friends how HE educated ME. Sigh...

Shops like that are the reason I vowed never to restore something with a French or Swiss BB standard.

I guess, if the bike shop doesn't have mesh over the windows, in fact if it has a massive expanse of glass to goggle through, it's unlikely that it will have what a retro biker needs. If it's a tiny little shop in the arse end of Bristol with a slighty inebriated owner/mechanic normally stood in the door wearing a casquette at a rakish angle (in a non ironic way, obviously) drinking a cup of bovril, you might stand a chance.

examples
exhibit A
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highly unlikely to have seen anything older than last Tuesday, spotted little kid behind the counter wearing a fox T-shirt, claims to be a mechanic because his done his cytech tech 2. workshop is a beech surfaced, park tool loaded pin board with all "spares" in factory fresh boxes.

Exhibit B

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Dive run by a drunkerd who if asked could tell you the number of bearings in a 1992 shimano alivio freehub, but couldn't fix an E-bike if it was an electrical failure. He thought about doing his Cytech, but he had to teach the tutor a bit more so they knew as much as he does. Spares are in random boxes because "you never know" and the factory fresh boxes are out on the shelves in the shop, where you could just "buy them and fit them yourself".

you makes your choice you takes your chances. :)
 
Unfortunately if you want to push your knowledge base and spare parts stock into the 95th percentile, you won't easily find the income to cover it.
(Or the stock, when you need it🤔)
Nope, the shape of things to come is already here.

I was restoring an old funny bike, and I walked into a bike shop and told the kid I needed a 650c road tyre.

He laughed at me and said "No, road tyres are 700. 650 "B" is 27.5 mountain bike. There's no such thing as 650 "C"." Then he shook his head and laughed again.

Obviously the little snot had never seen a triathlon bike or a junior road bike with 650C wheels, but it was clear that he had never seen anything older than the previous Tuesday.

Rather than waste my time educating the little house brick with acne, I walked out. He probably still tells his friends how HE educated ME. Sigh...

Shops like that are the reason I vowed never to restore something with a French or Swiss BB standard.
Many bike shops of my youth were run by incredibly grumpy old men - but nowdays an arrogant kid isn't an exception.

But to tell you the truth, the required levels of customer service, patience and aforementioned knowledge are very high, yet the cost of retail is so steep it's hard to retain staff with a decent wage,
there's almost no prospect of career progression and the industry spends most of the time screaming about how it's about to fall off a cliff.

An additionall point, speaking as someone who's employed say 30 mechanics/ shop workers over the years:

A natural mechanical ability, and
A friendly customer service manner

...aren't necessarily found in the same person.😉

Loads of people think they know all about bikes, when their knowledge is in fact restricted to a small segment.
Some of these people are behind the counter.

It's a case of the
"Unknown Unknowns"
, as Donald Rumsfelt helpfully called it.

You does what you can.
Sometimes it's enough.
 
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A more local example perhaps

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Run by 2 chaps who love to cycle. shuts on a Wednesday afternoon so they can. tiny workshop, well stocked. massive range of bikes for everybody. Need a wheel checking, "yer sure, give me a minute. How was your ride last weekend, say you going for it over near XX, are you racing this Wednesday? I'm going along to just watch for a change. Here's your wheel, only took me a few minutes, let's call it a fiver".


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fitted a 10 speed road derailleur to a hybrid with MTB levers, insisted it was the owner who couldn't change gears, had no idea what "pull ratio" meant. charged near on 100 quid for the privilege of "diagnosing and fixing the noise" that didn't actually go away and turned out to be the bottle cage bolts fowlling the seat post. (note, this wasn't my bike and it wasn't me who told him to go there).
 
Nope, the shape of things to come is already here.

I was restoring an old funny bike, and I walked into a bike shop and told the kid I needed a 650c road tyre.

He laughed at me and said "No, road tyres are 700. 650 "B" is 27.5 mountain bike. There's no such thing as 650 "C"." Then he shook his head and laughed again.

Obviously the little snot had never seen a triathlon bike or a junior road bike with 650C wheels, but it was clear that he had never seen anything older than the previous Tuesday.

Rather than waste my time educating the little house brick with acne, I walked out. He probably still tells his friends how HE educated ME. Sigh...

Shops like that are the reason I vowed never to restore something with a French or Swiss BB standard.
I had a similar thing when I went to my local motor factors to buy a new set of points for my 1978 VW Polo.

The kid in there had no idea about points, ignition, distributor cap etc. He had never heard off them, he called his manager to assist, who also had no idea what I was talking about!

We have all the tools to do threads on frames and forks, We have a great relationship with an awesome local bike shop who do nothing but repairs or sell second hand refurbished bikes, anything they can't do they send our way, and if its anything I don't have or can't help with, I'll send their way.

The other local shops don't want to know anything but new carbon bikes.

I'm more than happy to spend a stupid amount of time doing an uneconomic repair for a reasonable price for any customer to keep things on the road and out of landfill in this age where everything is so disposable.
 
I had a similar thing when I went to my local motor factors to buy a new set of points for my 1978 VW Polo.

The kid in there had no idea about points, ignition, distributor cap etc. He had never heard off them, he called his manager to assist, who also had no idea what I was talking about!
take em off and fit a hall effect. :)

the AA had a similar issue when I broke down because the cheap hall effect unit I'd fitted failed (the second one I fitted has lasted 15 years though). I have the points in the glove box, didn't have a screwdriver though (I was amazed too). AA came out, took one look at an 84 golf and said he could do nothing for it. I asked for a screwdriver and he got a lesson how to fit and set points (with a bit of paper to set the gap).

but to be honest, if someone asked me to program a computer from before 1990 I doubt I could, it's unlikely I could get model A starter either. Times change, it's the enthusiasts that keep information like this alive, not the general populace.
 
I had a similar thing when I went to my local motor factors to buy a new set of points for my 1978 VW Polo.

The kid in there had no idea about points, ignition, distributor cap etc. He had never heard off them, he called his manager to assist, who also had no idea what I was talking about!

We have all the tools to do threads on frames and forks, We have a great relationship with an awesome local bike shop who do nothing but repairs or sell second hand refurbished bikes, anything they can't do they send our way, and if its anything I don't have or can't help with, I'll send their way.

The other local shops don't want to know anything but new carbon bikes.

I'm more than happy to spend a stupid amount of time doing an uneconomic repair for a reasonable price for any customer to keep things on the road and out of landfill in this age where everything is so disposable.

This scenario is hopefully still found wherever there's enough bikes to have a bikeshop biosphere.

The Carbon Outfits deal with the consumer culture end of cycling.
It's probably always been there, and no doubt has benefits and disadvantages for the rest of us.

In many smaller towns, WCR killed the little shop, now they have none.
Times change, it's the enthusiasts that keep information like this alive, not the general populace.
not the general populace ...or the profit- oriented business.

If the part (like a 650c tyre) isn't available from the wholesalers (or in Evans case, Evans🤣) then from their perspective, it doesn't exist and therefore your bike is unfixable.
 
"A timing light? What's one of them?"
"It's one of those, locked in the display cabinet behind you."
"Oh. Is that what it's called then? I've never sold one of those."

I had a similar conversation (except for the display cabinet part) with a young lad in the only LBS in my parent's town when I asked if they had any rubber pedals. I remember when the shop was a typical Arkwright's Open All Hours newsagent/grocery.
 
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