OMG, 105 for the win, being cheap is now' retro

[Canuk]

If David Walsh, who brought down Lance Armstrong remember, believes that Pogacar is clean then that's good enough for me.

Have it on good report from a French pro who has only recently retired from the sport that drug use is as bad as ever, and increasingly powerful and harder to detect forms like EPO. Massive bust in Andorra last year at a well known pharmacy. I do not believe there is a single pro peloton rider not using some method of performance enhancement. The wheel keeps a turnin and there's no way, it seems, to get off ..

 

[pigman]

Have it on good report from a French pro who has only recently retired from the sport that drug use is as bad as ever, and increasingly powerful and harder to detect forms like EPO. Massive bust in Andorra last year at a well known pharmacy. I do not believe there is a single pro peloton rider not using some method of performance enhancement. The wheel keeps a turnin and there's no way, it seems, to get off ..

You're probably/possibly right. BUT .... your French pro friend is no different to that office gossip where a woman gets promoted and everyone says she only got the job cos she slept with the boss. Maybe she'd did, but maybe she's just damn capable. But as an outsider the 'good authority ' says what it says.
I'll stick my neck out and say I'm happy to bury my head in the sand and watch the entertainment. Why? Because it affects all sports - tennis, athletics, football, American football, basketball maybe even snooker and darts ??
And then there's the fact even if they're 'clean' in the sense that they'll pass any drug test, they're so far away from what I am and do, it's irrelevant anyway. World's best talent using the best equipment, riding every day, responsibilities pushed aside (no 'proper' job, families left at home), medical treatments I have no access to (doctor on tap, massages, remedies). If I'm being entertained by an alien world, I don't really dwell on how far they've gone

 

[Guinessisgoodforyou]

You're probably/possibly right. BUT .... your French pro friend is no different to that office gossip where a woman gets promoted and everyone says she only got the job cos she slept with the boss. Maybe she'd did, but maybe she's just damn capable. But as an outsider the 'good authority ' says what it says.
I'll stick my neck out and say I'm happy to bury my head in the sand and watch the entertainment. Why? Because it affects all sports - tennis, athletics, football, American football, basketball maybe even snooker and darts ??
And then there's the fact even if they're 'clean' in the sense that they'll pass any drug test, they're so far away from what I am and do, it's irrelevant anyway. World's best talent using the best equipment, riding every day, responsibilities pushed aside (no 'proper' job, families left at home), medical treatments I have no access to (doctor on tap, massages, remedies). If I'm being entertained by an alien world, I don't really dwell on how far they've gone

Agreed

 

[ChromeChainstay]

If David Walsh, who brought down Lance Armstrong remember, believes that Pogacar is clean then that's good enough for me.

perhaps so • but let's see Pogacar win on 105

 

[LondonClassic]

If David Walsh, who brought down Lance Armstrong remember, believes that Pogacar is clean then that's good enough for me.

Travis Tygart, Floyd Landis, Betsy Andreu, Dick Pound, Jeff Novitzky, David Walsh...can all lay claim to have 'brought down Lance Armstrong'. Individually none of them did though.

David Walsh's critical journalistic eye on cycling seemed to disappear when his employer bankrolled a superteam - a conflict of interest to look too hard at a sport your bosses are spending millions propping up. I wouldn't take his steer on Pog anymore than I would take his steer wether to buy Daz or Persil.

 

[pigman]

Travis Tygart, Floyd Landis, Betsy Andreu, Dick Pound, Jeff Novitzky, David Walsh...can all lay claim to have 'brought down Lance Armstrong'. Individually none of them did though.

David Walsh's critical journalistic eye on cycling seemed to disappear when his employer bankrolled a superteam - a conflict of interest to look too hard at a sport your bosses are spending millions propping up. I wouldn't take his steer on Pog anymore than I would take his steer wether to buy Daz or Persil.

I also heard that he's looked for scandal in just about every sport except golf. Why? Well his personal buddies are pro golfers.

I've also been told he used Betsy. He asked her to spill the beans in confidence and then outed her