Do modern groupsets last less?

[d8mok]

Let's just agree on that.
What about cost? With the money i spend on a 12 speed chain or cassette, i can get 2-3 8/9 speed parts for the bikes i already have.
One more issue- i cannot help but hate the look and engineering behind 1X drivetrains.
Who would ever want a bike whose cassette is almost as big as the wheel itself? It just looks wrong.
Modern mountain bikes look like tractors, change my mind.

Kind of like complaining about a modern new car having a price which is greater than a 20 year old one though. Tech costs money.

Why would you buy a nice new reliable car with all the modern tech and 55mpg for £30k when you can buy 10 x 3k snotters and run each one into the ground……

Modern mtb are a evolution. The changes might not be to your tastes but functionally they are better at doing their task and last longer than the 90s versions for sure. 90s stuff wasn’t ridden that hard really as riding has changed so much. Stuff broke really easily and wore out just as much too. Modern bikes just work , and keep going and going.

Rose tinted glasses on what we all used to ride happens a lot. nostalgia is the biggest driver of 2nd hand prices and certainly why I collect them.

I personally like how modern stuff looks too. The 2000-2018 bikes were the ugly period for me personally.

 

[greencat]

Nobody likes Ebikes, until they need one.

I think there's a bunch of fit & healthy young 'uns on youtube & instagram that would disagree with you. They don't have any of the baggage some of us have about it not being proper cycling. An ebike means they can session entire downhills all day rather than just a few times.

 

[Lhatch4]

There was plenty of garbage parts and bikes in the 90's. The bikes that we build now came from the 90's parts that were good enough to survive until now. We have selective memories. In another 25 years there will be a group just like us building bikes from 2022 that were good enough to survive that long.

 

[Mickeyspinn]

Kind of like complaining about a modern new car having a price which is greater than a 20 year old one though. Tech costs money.

Why would you buy a nice new reliable car with all the modern tech and 55mpg for £30k when you can buy 10 x 3k snotters and run each one into the ground……

Modern mtb are a evolution. The changes might not be to your tastes but functionally they are better at doing their task and last longer than the 90s versions for sure. 90s stuff wasn’t ridden that hard really as riding has changed so much. Stuff broke really easily and wore out just as much too. Modern bikes just work , and keep going and going.

Rose tinted glasses on what we all used to ride happens a lot. nostalgia is the biggest driver of 2nd hand prices and certainly why I collect them.

I personally like how modern stuff looks too. The 2000-2018 bikes were the ugly period for me personally.

You say tomato I say tomatoe!

Erm I know for fact my old tech got ridden hard back in the day.. real hard.Every morning on the ride to school 60 odd steps got rattled down I'd sometimes manage the climb back up em too nae bad for a rigid.
I'd ford my bike upstream downstream through clay quagmires...ridden a lot of the cornish cliff paths..jeez did I spank my old fuddy duddy tech i even watched my bike do an end over end down a mountain...no damage!
Way I see it since cad cam really took over that little extra engineers used to put in has gone. Now everything is made to the quickest pass on the machine using the least amount of material.funky looks over engineering common sense.
There's also been a huge shift globally since the nineties in raw materials and quality of, also the kind of manufacturing processes/finishes allowed which have impacted this plus of course the constant drive to sate the thirst of cheapness/profits. Although the Chinese can do quality it's quite obvious to all that it's not a given thing!
Comparing cars? Hmmm dodgy ground...
So your 2020 range rover has an electrical fault on the side of a mountain..so you wouldnt be happy that there's a snotter of a 90's Toyota Hilux waiting to give you a lift?
Only breakages I suffered was using silly lightweight stuff... Brahma bars loved em but they didn't like getting airborne they sure did like to lose they're wings!

I will say modern kit is good performs really well too but as long lasting and durable...nope.
And don't get me started on chains..
Obviously we're not trying to compare Shimano 200gs against modern all singing dancing are we?

 

[legrandefromage]

Modern cars?

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Modern tech...

cars are not really the best comparison

Theres been very little rose tintitednessnessness here, just observations that the direction things have taken have not always been for the benefit of the rider. In fact, none of it has been for anyones benefit, its been foisted upon the unsuspecting rider and then accepted as fact. Especially when the the internet tells you whatever you were doing is wrong regardless of what the 'it' might be.

In the 1990's bike parks were almost unheard of, people rode out in the wilds and often just had the one MTB and maybe a road bike. My own bike was a do it all, it was my transport during the week and play time at the weekends. It never got stuffed in a car and driven to a location - I had to ride there and ride back, it had to be reliable and we only had our mates to impress.

With soshul meedya, we are now at the extremes, if it doesnt look good on tiktok or your YouTube channel, its just not good enough.

 

[legrandefromage]

That reminds me of a recent facebook post where a guy states how good and reliable his new £60k LR Defender was after a round trip to Geneva and back. In 1994 we did a similar journey via France, Belgium and Lausanne.

In a 1990 Renault 5 with four people and luggage. It was perfectly adequate, even in the snow.

Even a Kia Rio has a heated steering wheel...

 

[eri]

Y'all R a bunch of trogodytes. Here's my new to me bike, a 2017 honzo ti with mezcal 2.6. 26.5lbs and kicks much butt.

Sure it'd be possible I could go ride the same trails with the 92 hei hei that lives on my trainer but the lack of disk brakes, tiny tires and pathetic front shock would bruise my oh so baby soft hands. Its a different sport these days.

I simply don't understand what you're going on about reliablity. The old bikes are fine if you're just riding gravel.

I mtb'd in hokkaido in the 90s and all parts were quickly destroyed by the snow and mud.

 

[legrandefromage]

I do miss the days where I was still excited by new 'technology.

Middle age has left me with just scepticism and cynicism

Especially disappointed that theres no hoverboards yet

 

[Mickeyspinn]

That reminds me of a recent facebook post where a guy states how good and reliable his new £60k LR Defender was after a round trip to Geneva and back. In 1994 we did a similar journey via France, Belgium and Lausanne.

In a 1990 Renault 5 with four people and luggage. It was perfectly adequate, even in the snow.

Even a Kia Rio has a heated steering wheel...

Renault 5

I'll raise you
Renault 4 !!
My uncle introduced that car to North Africa spent quite a few years out there setting up dealerships and service networks.
Had a wonderful story where he had a puncture and before he could change the wheel had to drive off because a horny giraffe was charging down on him
Great film on Netflix called 4L if they tickle your french thing !

 

[legrandefromage]

Then you've clearly not read much of the thread if you think we're troglodytes, as already said, many rode to their destinations, did the riding and rode back home. Then rode to work during the week. The boutique parts just wouldnt have cut it. My mechs silted up very quickly during the salty winters.

...and in my 27th year of riding a bike with hydraulic disc brakes

*and they were much better than later kit!

**much much better!!