mattr":11cer37c said:It does. Bjarne Riis used to get spanked out of the back of the peloton on hills as steep as a motorway flyover on a regular basis, a handful of months later hes climbing with the best of the non-specialists in the world in the TDF. And then goes on to win.Neil":11cer37c said:Well in my opinion, given sports where it's rife, it doesn't tend to make champions of people who wouldn't otherwise be champions, all other things being equal - but I'm sure some will dispute that.
I'm not sure that's refuting what I'm saying. If, in that example, drugs were used to transform his performance, how can we be sure that all it didn't do, was level the playing field with those he was truly competing against?
And yes - I get, some people get better results from some drugs than others. Some people have better natural hormonal profiles than others. Some people have better genetic predisposition to various physical factors than others. Some people respond to exertion differently.
I've plenty of experience of seeing the effects of PEDs - and no, I've never partaken, personally - to realise something that's often missed in all of this - many who use PEDs get a psychological boost as well as physical. It's like a switch, in many - which I think goes to explain how some, may seemingly move from being mediocre, to outstanding - they know once they are using something, that they are truly "on" something, and it affects them. How they train, how they perform - suddenly, there's an artifical feeling of having this additional performance, a certain superiority or beyond normal ability - almost as if they're invincible and can do or win. For some, truly, the psychological aspect can be significant - maybe as significant as the biological / physical enhancement they provide.
I remain unconvinced that drugs in sport do much more than level the playing field in sports where drug use is rife. In sports were there may only be the odd person who manages it undetected, probably a different matter.