Long cage Super Record mech’

[ferrus]

Way overpriced IMO but a lovely conversion with Rally cage for more useful gearing..

CAMPAGNOLO SUPER RECORD VINTAGE ROAD BICYCLE REAR DERAILLEUR, PAT' 82 | eBay

Campagnolo Super Record rear derailleur.

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[pigman]

Not sure it would work. The problem with those campag mechs of the era were the top jockey wheel fouling the big cogs. With no B screw, this problem wouldn't go away. With a modern hanger dropper, it would probably work in the bigger cogs, but then the jockey is a long way from the little cogs.
The conversion only addresses the chain length problem

 

[Glug]

A SunTour Cyclone II GT will handle 8 gears if you file down one of the stops a bit.
And it's a lot cheaper and lighter, and looks good too.

I've got one with an SRAM PG-850 11-32 8 speed cassete (127mm OLD).

 

[ferrus]

Not sure it would work. The problem with those campag mechs of the era were the top jockey wheel fouling the big cogs. With no B screw, this problem wouldn't go away. With a modern hanger dropper, it would probably work in the bigger cogs, but then the jockey is a long way from the little cogs.
The conversion only addresses the chain length problem

I’ve had reasonable success with a Nuovo Record fitted with Rally cage on a 28 T cog.
The second gen Rally mech was basically a Gran Sport with a long cage (essentially the same body geometry as SR and NR), so this should work just as well (not brilliantly).
But I agree it’s best suited to chain length issues from triple ring setups etc

 

[bikeworkshop]

This gen campy parallelogram moves the cage in line with the axle, not the cassette sprockets, so as a rule this era campy works best on closer ratio.
As riders came to expect wider ratios, even campy had to adopt the slant parallelogram derailleur popularised by Suntour

SunTour Gran-Prix derailleur

The Suntour Gran-Prix introduced the slant parallelogram to the world. It is the most famous of the many brain-children of Nobuo Ozaki, SunTour’s legendary chief designer. The idea is brilliantly simple - as the pulley cage moves inwards, it also moves downwards, following the shape of the...

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So it's a waste of money going to the trouble of dismantling a rally mech to pinch the cage to give your s-record derailleur greater chain capacity. The rally+record should just be left alone, and go get something that works!!

One for Frankenstein's gravel gruppo!

 

[ferrus]

I have one of those Gran Prix mechs, bought NOS from Japan a couple of years ago. (I don’t think they were ever exported into Europe). It’s an amazingly advanced design for the time and no doubt totally outperformed Campag mechs two decades later! As you say, the slant parallelogram transformed shifting.

But I disagree about Rally converted SR/NR mech’s. No ones dismantling Rally’s for the cage - the cages were sold independently, sometimes fitted at the point of sale. Back in the 70s some folk even used to improvise cages so they could run wider range gearing with their beloved Record mechs. You’re not using 70s/80s Campag for its shifting prowess are you.

 

[bikeworkshop]

Always surprises me how little rallys are worth, and how much the ti bolt s-record.

 

[ferrus]

2nd gen are just long cage Gran Sports with a different name plate. 1st gen were more interesting (and more advanced! - with their dropped parallelogram). 3rd gen are much more refined in finish but still a crude design for the period. I love them all and have about 6 variations in the collection.

Interesting fact, at some point in 1984 Campag ran out of ‘Rally’ faceplates so some were released with Nuovo Record ones instead. People always insist these were just bodged together, aftermarket, from Rally and NR parts, but then I saw one pictured in a Japanese Campag catalogue. Someone on Velobase mentions buying one new in its box BITD.

 

[ferrus]

Always surprises me how little rallys are worth, and how much the ti bolt s-record.

This seller thinks otherwise.

CAMPAGNOLO RALLY CAMBIO 3° generazione tripla long cage 1988 N.O.S. | eBay

The 1st generation Rally was the first Campagnolo drop parallelogram, which was dropped after it was criticized for looking too "Japanese". The second generation was nothing more that a Nuovo Record rear derailleur with a longer cage.

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A brand new, unused 3rd gen mech like this was the very first mech I bought for the collection. (The missus bought it actually and received a lovely note from the seller wishing her many happy miles of touring with it. I feel a bit guilty, as it’s just sat on a shelf ever since)
We paid £16 for it (in 1993 ish)…..

 

[ferrus]

Always surprises me how little rallys are worth, and how much the ti bolt s-record.

Here’s a fairly uncommon SR with alum bolts, released during a supply shortage in Ti:

Vintage Campagnolo Super Record Rear Derailleur 2nd Gen 1979 Rare Alloy Bolt | eBay

<p>In 1979 a shortage of pure titanium sourced from Russia made Campagnolo have to produce his top end titanium parts in aluminium alloy. This only happened at the end of 79 and early 1980. Hence there were limited numbers of these pat 79 super record rear derrailleurs produced with alloy bolts...

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This bloke thinks his chromed bolt version is super-rare and has priced it accordingly. I don’t know anything about this oddity -

Rare Campagnolo Super Record Derailleur NIB Very UNUSUAL Chrome Bolt Mod 1 Off? | eBay

Super Record. Classic and Modern. if we don't have it, you don't need it. Not a bootleg -. from the past 100 years. Plus an unmatched Collection of Parts & Accessories. • The finishing touch for that classic machine.

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