Fidel Castro 1926-2016

[k-rod]

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There are and will be those that celebrate or mourn his demise. For some he was a great leader that, under immense pressure, challenged the might of American, and won. Quite an achievement. Others will say he was a tyrant and dictator. Having never visited or lived there, I couldn't possibly comment. As westerners we have always been fed one story.

Ironically, in this world of duality ... one can rightfully say he was actually both (and I had been there a few times, and knew some local people well, over the years).

 

[KermitGKona88]

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I think the greatest irony is in the fact, love him or hate him................................. I think he is much better than the man poised to be the next POTUS :facepalm: :facepalm:

 

[Harryburgundy]

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I agree K-Rod, my reference to irony was in response to leadership by fear and (separate issue) sexual indiscretions, both of which can be equally applied to western politics, particularly the USA.
The USA are masters of ruling by fear.
I'm not arguing for arguments sake, just trying to offer a 360 degree perspective

 

[Harryburgundy]

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I think the greatest irony is in the fact, love him or hate him................................. I think he is much better than the man poised to be the next POTUS :facepalm: :facepalm:

Difficult to disagree with you.

 

[M-Power]

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I agree K-Rod, my reference to irony was in response to leadership by fear and (separate issue) sexual indiscretions, both of which can be equally applied to western politics, particularly the USA.
The USA are masters of ruling by fear.
I'm not arguing for arguments sake, just trying to offer a 360 degree perspective

Its been asked of powerful despot leaders on more than a few occasions and Machiavelli understood it, its better to be feared than loved by 'the people' but a balance of both is often better. Pablo Escobar had his fans amongst the poor who benefitted from his community largesse.

 

[k-rod]

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The world seems to be heading toward a volatile and dangerous place.

 

[Bats]

I remember once meeting with a man who's parents fled the revolution in the mid-60s. He proudly showed off the deed to what he said was a large mansion confiscated by Fidel and turned into a school. He told me that "when they're overthrown" he'd go back to Cuba and kick everyone out of "his" house, and that they wouldn't need much education to harvest sugar cane for him anyway.

It was at that point I decided Fidel was absolutely right.

Really?

Pm me your address where you and your family live and ill come round to throw you out and change the locks. Ill let in four homeless guys in.

Afterwards ill ask you to tell me how you feel..

If cuba under communsium was such a paradise, how come all of the cubans want to go to america? Dont you wonder why cuba is not mentioed ad the country the migrants want to settle in?

Dont want to start argument but generally dictators that forcea political system onto the population arent that good.

So what you're saying, then, is that you take the side of a guy who's angry that the government closed down his parent's child slavery business and confiscated the ill-gotten proceeds, namely a huge county manor.

Which is what actually happened.

The Cubans who went to america are very different to the Cubans who stayed. Namely, they were the privileged class of Batista's fascist government. They were Child slavers and Mafioso. They are not victims but criminals, and the Cuban people as a whole remain glad to be free of them. Now their children get to go to school instead of working plantations. Now the black and mixed people can become doctors and lawyers instead of servants or prostitutes.

What makes me laugh is the way you go "how would you like it if it happened to me"? Well, I don't own a whites-only casino, a drug plantation or a mansion payed for with child slavery, because I'm not a scumbag or member of the mafia, so it can't happen to me. I am simply a law abiding person who values justice and a society where we look out for each other instead of preying on each other, and as such would benefit from all of those predatory, cruel things being done away with.

 

[Harryburgundy]

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I agree K-Rod, my reference to irony was in response to leadership by fear and (separate issue) sexual indiscretions, both of which can be equally applied to western politics, particularly the USA.
The USA are masters of ruling by fear.
I'm not arguing for arguments sake, just trying to offer a 360 degree perspective

Its been asked of powerful despot leaders on more than a few occasions and Machiavelli understood it, its better to be feared than loved by 'the people' but a balance of both is often better. Pablo Escobar had his fans amongst the poor who benefitted from his community largesse.

Castro to Escobar! That's quite some conflation!

 

[Harryburgundy]

I remember once meeting with a man who's parents fled the revolution in the mid-60s. He proudly showed off the deed to what he said was a large mansion confiscated by Fidel and turned into a school. He told me that "when they're overthrown" he'd go back to Cuba and kick everyone out of "his" house, and that they wouldn't need much education to harvest sugar cane for him anyway.

It was at that point I decided Fidel was absolutely right.

Really?

Pm me your address where you and your family live and ill come round to throw you out and change the locks. Ill let in four homeless guys in.

Afterwards ill ask you to tell me how you feel..

If cuba under communsium was such a paradise, how come all of the cubans want to go to america? Dont you wonder why cuba is not mentioed ad the country the migrants want to settle in?

Dont want to start argument but generally dictators that forcea political system onto the population arent that good.

So what you're saying, then, is that you take the side of a guy who's angry that the government closed down his parent's child slavery business and confiscated the ill-gotten proceeds, namely a huge county manor.

Which is what actually happened.

The Cubans who went to america are very different to the Cubans who stayed. Namely, they were the privileged class of Batista's fascist government. They were Child slavers and Mafioso. They are not victims but criminals, and the Cuban people as a whole remain glad to be free of them.

What makes me laugh is the way you go "how would you like it if it happened to me"? Well, I don't own a whites-only casino, a drug plantation or a mansion payed for with child slavery, because I'm not a scumbag or member of the mafia, so it can't happen to me. I am simply a law abiding person who values justice and a society where we look out for each other instead of preying on each other, and as such would benefit from all of those predatory, cruel things being done away with.

Well said sir

 

[The History Man]

One for the argument section?