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why bother.
Another scrappage scheme?
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Agreed, nobody seems to consider the CO2 cost of making a vehicle in the first place: smelting a tonne of steel etc etc.
I saw an article last week on the BBC website that said that some Euro5 vehicles when tested on a road loop (as opposed to the lab) were emitting 12x the level of pollutants.
I saw an article last week on the BBC website that said that some Euro5 vehicles when tested on a road loop (as opposed to the lab) were emitting 12x the level of pollutants.
Erm, no they weren't (Excluding the VAG shitstorm). They were producing almost exactly the amount of NOx they said they would under the legally mandated test procedure.legrandefromage":28defb51 said:
No, they pumped exactly the amount that the manufacturers claimed, if you drive according to the terribly badly written test procedures. You drive outside the test procedures (which is pretty much a given as they are so shit) you'll cause higher emissions.legrandefromage":28defb51 said:
You want to point fingers, point them at the imbeciles who write/control the legislation.
Mostly done while ignoring advice from people who knew what they were talking about.
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So the Radio 4 program was completely wrong and theres absolutely nothing to worried about. Sure, scrap the cars, release all that stored CO2, keep the car industry going to create jobs and continuously pump out shit cars that fail miserably a few years down the line so its a continuous loop.
And any independent testing is just whistling into the wind
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/v ... l-cars-for
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... orld-tests
And any independent testing is just whistling into the wind
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/v ... l-cars-for
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... orld-tests
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Re:
Had my 2001 Golf Gti 2.0 Petrol MOT'd this week. Here are the emission test results ...
Fast Idle 2685rpm
Carbon monoxide CO = 0.04% (Max allowed 0.20%)
Hydrocarbons HC = 11ppm (Max allowed 200ppm)
Natural Idle 810rpm
Carbon monoxide CO = 0.00% (Max allowed 0.30%)
Not too bad for a 15 year old car that has done 47K. No way am I scrapping it.
Had my 2001 Golf Gti 2.0 Petrol MOT'd this week. Here are the emission test results ...
Fast Idle 2685rpm
Carbon monoxide CO = 0.04% (Max allowed 0.20%)
Hydrocarbons HC = 11ppm (Max allowed 200ppm)
Natural Idle 810rpm
Carbon monoxide CO = 0.00% (Max allowed 0.30%)
Not too bad for a 15 year old car that has done 47K. No way am I scrapping it.
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legrandefromage":18nqvdcy said:
if its the same as all the other misreporting of the facts I've seen over the last 6 months, yes.legrandefromage":8swr4mmg said:
i didn't say that, i just said that if you have shit tests that bear no resemblance to real life, expect shit emissions when you drive "in real life" instead of driving to the test cycle
unless they are testing to the same spec as the emissions standards, yes. No one tries to meet made up standards.
What we need is proper test specs written by people who understand what is going on. Not written by a committee of civil servants. We'll get some way to this with euro 6c, which includes real driving emissions. Rather than just test cycles.
FWIW petrols are just as bad. It's just a different combination of emissions.
