Is this Saracen the First UK MTB?

A colleague of mine has a Saracen that he has had since the dawn of time (about 1984) and wanted to find out a bit of info on it.

There is no model name on it and the Saracen is in red vynl lettering on black paintwork. Apparently Saracen is also stamped into the frame near the seatpost collar.

I have looked around and can't find any info on it at all. All of the parts are original suntour and shimano, but the bike is a little in need of overhaul.

Does anyone have advice on the best place to get it restored and do you think there would be anywhere to source matching decals?

I have tried to attach the images but haven't done this before so hopefully it will work!
 

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That is a thousand kinds of ace :-D

I'm not sure I could bear to "restore" it, though. Patina FTW!
 
I think the very first ones were badged as F.W. Evans. GrahamJohnWallace will be along soon to tell you all about it- he is the man for the early UK stuff. He will also tell you (and quite rightly) that the Geoff App's Clelend bikes were the first mountain bikes in the UK.

Very nice bike btw :cool:

Si
 
That's a nice, early British mountain bike, very similar to the early Saracens that Nick and Richard Crane took up Kilimanjaro:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0166281544

The book isn't a bad read, and there are a couple of cheap copies on eBay at the moment - or order it from your local library. If you look very closely at the cover picture, you can make out the same SunTour beartrap pedals as your friend has, and the special custom freewheels with the enormous "winch" sprocket.

I think Bob Jackson built the frames for Saracen in those days. You might contact Jackson about restoration.
 
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This is copied from the Bikeradar forum and has some good details about the first Saracens and is a fascinating read. Courtesy of Graham John Wallace himself:

Graham John Wallace":1hjwc4uh said:
For anyone who is interested in how mountain biking started in Britain, I have compiled this history.

The History of Mountain Biking in Britain - (The Early Pioneers) This History is periodically updated as new and verifiable information is recieved.

Last updated: 18/April/2009

This information is based on detailed research and is mostly based on published and verifiable resources. However, many of the events referred to were not documented at the time, but some years later. Many of the exact dates are not known.

Serious off road cycling started in Britain in the early 20th century with the activity of 'Pass Storming'. This involved riding a bicycle to a mountainous area, then riding, or carrying the bike over a high and unpaved, mountain pass. This activity eventualy led to the formation of The Rough Stuff Fellowship in 1955, an organisation for cyclists who liked to wander from the beaten track.

1955 onwards The Rough Stuff Fellowship used a variety of existing bike designs and some modifications were made to improve performance. There is evidence that a few custom built frames were made and fitted with suitable components i.e: alpine gears, cantilever brakes etc. The idea was to, whenever possible, get off the roads and cycle along lanes and byways. If the going got tough the riders would simply get off and walk.


What was the first ‘Mountain Bike to be made in Britain?
There is little doubt that the Geoff Apps designed Range Rider was the first ‘Mountain Bike’ to be made in Britain. These were designed without any knowledge of the American bikes and so should be considered as a seperate lineage of off-road bike. The first prototype was made in 1968 based on a Raleigh Explorer frame. Experiments using a variety of road bike framesets continued throughout the 1970s. His bikes mostly used 2 inch wide, 650b, knobbly snow tyres from Finland. His first Range Rider bikes, using a custom designed (un-braced) framesets were designed in 197:cool: I believe the frames where made by Dees Cycles of Amersham in 1979. These bikes had all the features of the Mountain bike, though their design was arrived at independently. I believe that these bikes were the first British made Mountain Bikes. (One version had drum brakes another rim brakes).
Later versions of these were sold by Cleland Cycles (Geoff’s own company), English Cycles, and Highpath Engineering over the next ten years. They were built to order and as far as I know never mass produced. In October 1981 Nick Crane rode a third generation Range Rider prototype up Snowdon.

The above bikes were designed as if getting off and walking was a criminal offence. Geoff Apps was also a trials motorbike rider. They were designed completely for off-road use. They are the tractors of the Mountain Bike world, tall, functional and reliable.

Geoff Apps has recently been nominated for induction to the Mountain Bike Hall of Fame.
www.completesite.com/mbhof/page.cfm?pag ... mberid=209

http://www.james-walters.net/cleland/cl ... story.html


Who made the first American style Mountain Bike in Britain?
(1981) A US style Mountain Bike was made by
Chas Roberts at the request of an American customer.
Amateur frame builder Tony Oliver also made himself one which he exibited at the 1981 York Cycle Show.


Who brought the first American style Mountain Bike into Britain?
(197:cool: Journalist Richard Grant brought over a 1st generation Gary Fisher built ‘clunker’. He exhibited this bike at the 1978 Olympia cycle show.

By the end of 1982 American built Ritcheys were being brought into England. I remember it being received wisdom that Norman Hiller of Covent Garden Cycles brought over the first purpose built US Mountain Bike, an early Tom Ritchey built Bike. Others claim that either Journalist Richard Grant or Richard Ballantine brought across the first Ritcheys from the States. Richard Ballantine's two bikes brought over for a Saharan expedition were the inspiration London bike shop, F.W. Evans Cycles, to design a Mountain Bike that became the FW Evans ATB, Saracen ATB. Both bikes were identical, apart from the first being usualy painted silver and the latter being painted black or red. In July 1984 I hired a black FW Evans ATB from Kinston Cycles, its frame no was 001.



Which was the first Mountain Bike mass-produced in Britain? Raleigh Bomber? 1981 (I don’t think so). They were American style Beach Cruisers. Only three speed hub gears, calliper brakes and small frame/seat Designed for teenagers who were outgrowing their BMX bikes.

Early 1984 F.W. Evans ATB/Saracen ATB? (Manufactured by Bluemels).
In 1982/3, Richard Ballantine asked London bike shop F.W. Evans Cycles to build up two Ritchey frames he had brought from the U.S. for Tim Gartside's and Peter Murphy's ,February 1983, Saharan expedition. Evans were curios and persuaded Bluemels to build some bikes based on what they had seen. The resulting FW Evans ATBs were mostly silver and branded under the shops own marque. The Bluemels’ own Saracens bikes were identical, apart from being painted black.

The other early British made bike was the Dawes Ranger.

As for the Raleigh Maverick, I remember these as being surprisingly late to the party. The earliest contemporary reference I can find is October 1985. And were "made in Japan", and so don’t qualify as British. British made versions were eventualy mass produced at a later date?


Which was the first mass-produced Mountain Bike imported into Britain? I am not sure about this but the Freewheel, mail order catalogue, included far east made Ridgeback bikes from 1983 onwards. The first that I personally saw were Ritchey Montares in late Late1983, though many other models had arrived by mid 84.

Mountain Bike Hall of Fame UK History section:
www.mtnbikehalloffame.com/page.cfm?pageid=13665
 
I like that. needs a bit of cleaning and away you go on it :cool:
 
interesting... re: original post, I have almost that exact frameset but with Reynolds 501 tubing sitting idle in the shed!
 
drystonepaul":17y64nzc said:
This is copied from the Bikeradar forum and has some good details about the first Saracens and is a fascinating read. Courtesy of Graham John Wallace himself:
That seems to be taken, in turn, from this Retrobike thread:

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7667

FWIW (and I hope Graham will be along to contribute) I'm not sure that Bluemels strictly built anything. Saracen was set up as an offshoot of Bluemels (who mostly sold mudguards and pumps) but what information I've found suggests that Jacksons were actually doing the building, at least of the early bikes.

I'll also repeat that my Dad's Raleigh Special Products Maverick is lugged Reynolds 531, British built, and equipped as described in the review Graham posted, suggesting it's contemporary with the Japanese-built model.
 
Hi Jim and all,

:roll: Am I so predictable that people expect me to turn up on any thread that is about pre-1990 British mountain bikes? :roll:

:cool: Yes I am! :cool:

Sorry I took so long to get here!

I love the idea that Bob Jackson built the Saracens/FW Evans mountain bikes. There may well be a Bob Jackson connection as they where both building bikes from Reynold 501 tubesets in early to mid 1984. I somewhere have a 1984 Bob Jackson catalogue that includes their Col Climber mountain bike.

The story I have heard is that Saracen where an existing bike manufacturer who were bought by Bluemels, but I don't have a date for this. By mid 1984 Blumels were claiming in their Saracen adverts that they were "the best selling mountain bikes in Britain". By December they were also claiming that they made "The only British-made mountain bike to be sold in the USA and Canada". It is sadly unlikely that a hand built framebuilder like Bob Jackson could have produced this level of output.

As for the Raleigh Maverick, I have recieved information from a collector who specialises in early British mountain bikes, that he has an early Maverick that is labelled as "Made in Japan". The story is that Raliegh initialy underestimated the strength of the UK market and it was quicker to re-badge bikes from the far east than set up their own production lines here. My source said "I understand it the bike is effectively a re-badged Rockhopper." Raleigh were desperate to get into the growing mtb market and this was a quick but temporary fix.
I strongly suspect that Maverick production was moved to the UK once Raleigh decided that mountain bikes where not just a fad.

The Raleigh "Special Products Division" at Ilkeston, produced hand built mountain bikes from at least August 1985 when they puplisised the "Midnight Express" made by Gerald O'Donovan for Tim Gartside. They made bikes for a variety of uses. Some later examples may well have been branded as Mavericks.
 
Heres mine but its a year or so newer i think.

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