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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:20 pm 
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freddok wrote:
Not mine but for those who might be interested, a nice Sunn softail...

https://www.leboncoin.fr/velos/1905600873.htm

Which model is this?
_ flex no doubt


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:32 pm 
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Magpiegifts wrote:
freddok wrote:
Not mine but for those who might be interested, a nice Sunn softail...

https://www.leboncoin.fr/velos/1905600873.htm

Which model is this?
_ flex no doubt


Sunn Totall


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:55 am 
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freddok wrote:
Magpiegifts wrote:
freddok wrote:
Not mine but for those who might be interested, a nice Sunn softail...

https://www.leboncoin.fr/velos/1905600873.htm

Which model is this?
_ flex no doubt


Sunn Totall

Thanks for that, certainly good looking bike


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2021 10:26 pm 
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I don't know how true this is, but fun to add. Quote from http://club-ydral.net/
This is the only picture (top image pink red) I could find of an old liberia but I've seen an older looking version on sale so it's feasible to predate the crazy horse :roll:. Generally the first french Mountain bikes are considered the MBK City/ranger or the peugeot crazy horse 1982.

"1978 : Gérard Biboud returning from the USA, decided to build a moutain bike that he'd witnessed evolving on the other side of the Atlantic. The first presentation in france would be at the Salon de Paris where Ets Libéria would be the first to make and sell Moutain-Bikes in france, VTT (Vélo Tout Terrain) in france.

1980 : A 28yr genevian comes to Grenoble to see Ets Libéria, with an ambitious idea, to ascende to the roof of Africa. Ets Libéria, only makers of mountain bikes in france, would study and produce a special mtb. Eric Doutrelepont would climb mount Kilimandjaro ( Uhuru : 5 895 m). This climb would be done in 3 stages. 2 750 m, the other 3 800 m and the last at 5 000 m. It would take Eric 1 day and half to go back down"

Apparently this bike has internal hub braking, internal rear gearing with freewheel and 3 chain ring derailleur. So you have 3 thumb shifters :)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:52 pm 
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I don't know how true this is, but fun to add. Quote from http://club-ydral.net/
This is the only picture (top image pink red) I could find of an old liberia but I've seen an older looking version on sale so it's feasible to predate the crazy horse :roll:. Generally the first french Mountain bikes are considered the MBK City/ranger or the peugeot crazy horse 1982.

"1978 : Gérard Biboud returning from the USA, decided to build a moutain bike that he'd witnessed evolving on the other side of the Atlantic. The first presentation in france would be at the Salon de Paris where Ets Libéria would be the first to make and sell Moutain-Bikes in france, VTT (Vélo Tout Terrain) in france.

1980 : A 28yr genevian comes to Grenoble to see Ets Libéria, with an ambitious idea, to ascende to the roof of Africa. Ets Libéria, only makers of mountain bikes in france, would study and produce a special mtb. Eric Doutrelepont would climb mount Kilimandjaro ( Uhuru : 5 895 m). This climb would be done in 3 stages. 2 750 m, the other 3 800 m and the last at 5 000 m. It would take Eric 1 day and half to go back down"

Apparently this bike has internal hub braking, internal rear gearing with freewheel and 3 chain ring derailleur. So you have 3 thumb shifters :)
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Thanks for this - and informative fascinating stuff! I’d be interested to see some pictures of the climb and descent!
I’d not heard of Liberia!
I do like the bike in the last picture


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:57 pm 
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I bought a Sunn Totall which was on eBay - (for my nephew)
Made a low offer and he accepted it!
It works splendidly - but needs a proper clean - there’s rust on the fittings and cassette, front mech and cranks in places - so some WD40 - new bolts and a deep clean will sort this out - I also have a cassette for it.

Nearly all original - decals damaged and the one at the front head badge is
Missing. Decal missing from the ESP 7.0 rear mech.
But it’s for my nephew and he’s happy with it

It’s quite heavy!! Then again after being with very lightweight bikes lately I guess most would be surprised at other bikes weights


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:59 pm 
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This Sunn could be really smart with a little attention and upgrades.

Think that's a good buy there.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:21 pm 
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Nice purchase Ibbz, 13kg?

So yesturday I went to a charity shop. In the bike section lay a rust bucket MS racing comp. The cool stem was broken, however more interestingly attached were these CLB saturn 3 canti levers. I'd recently posted that I'd never seen these. Well when you look you find. Don't know if these were made by CLB (Charles Lauzier Bourgoinor) or rebadged. Sachs bought them at one point whom then got rebought. These are possibly the last CLB made brakes. Unless someone can tell me otherwise? 1931 to ? RIP. Weigh 224g the pair.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:05 pm 
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I tried to weigh the bike - it was just over 26 lbs which is about 12 kg.
That’s a lucky find - I’m not familiar with those canti brake levers - definitely rare!
I don’t think they’re Sachs - the Sachs I’ve seen are a different shape

I’ve decided my next bike has got to be all white - a Look Mi80 or a white sunn. I’ve a build in mind
If you see S to M sized frame around do let me know!


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:09 pm 
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Magpiegifts wrote:
This Sunn could be really smart with a little attention and upgrades.

Think that's a good buy there.

It has a very comfortable ride - soaks up bumps - that rear suspension actually works effectively.
That saddle is also damn comfortable - my nephew took it away today. I hope he enjoys it


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