To Usefully Restore, Resto-mod or a total authentic refurb?

TheRadioGuyUK

Dirt Disciple
This is less a question or a thread about insights of x vs y vs z, what is right and proper etc. It’s more about rationalising your options and why you chose a route.

It’s ultimately, motivated and determined by you and only you - screw opinions about what’s the best purist view of which way to jump.

It’s your cash, time, blood sweat and tears and potentially nightmares along the way (if it’s predominantly steel, 40 or so years and spent a lot of that time decaying in a shed, nightmares about endless rust fixing and seized parts will keep you awake nights).

But keeping that front and centre as the core of your thinking, the path you go or feasible choices can be as limited or unlimited as your skillset, ingenuity and resources (covering everything from fabrication through what tools you have and skills necessary).

There will be times with some examples where you’re having to chose between ‘pulled’ allegedly good replacements or sight unseen allegedly refurbished stuff, exorbitant prices sometimes for NOS stuff that maybe essentially new but time in not ideal storage and simple inherent decay can sometimes end up with NOS parts that virtually need rebuilding due to aged perished seals or worse, or maybe it’s just easier to fabricate where you can effectively or find someone (often retired folks) who can do the fabrication for you to potentially better than original standard and grade. Knowing quite a few of that ilk, many being friends or FofF, means I wouldn’t ass around with unknowns if I could make or get something expertly fabricated by such folks if a decent example is beyond my skill set or means tool wise.

Depending on your target route, you may find the old timers to be as valuable for reference as your toolkit is comprehensively suited for the job. I’ll happily admit to treating the obligatory life story and anecdote's endured as par for the course and often you pick up as many gems of knowledge in the preamble as you do when addressing what you went to ask about. It’s also been a case where sometimes in the process you get epiphany about what you are attempting and realise your grand idea was about as rational and realistic as modifying base elements into precious metals alchemy style.

So unless you’re thinking concours level or very pure authenticity restoration (which can be an endless can of worms situation on a good day), sympathetic or simply a tidy restoration is about as far as is realistic for most.

Resto-Modding, however, opens up so many avenues of ways to go, it’s like trying to navigate the Gravelly Hill Interchange blindfold and dropped somewhere within at random if you get blinded by the sheer number of options and sub routes etc.

If going the R-M direction, please for sake of all things sane and to keep your reality in check, set out your intended end result specs from the outset and then reality check refine it.

If you know where you’re going, what’s likely to be involved efforts, parts and processes wise, it really can make the difference in sourcing a donor with your head rather than that of demented schizophrenic clown.

Whatever you do, especially if you take ingenious and unconventional thinking to solve, you’ll be crapped upon when seeking opinions or thoughts on your ingenuity.

But never forget - your concept, your goals, and making the best you can out of the project is ultimately what counts with an R-M or extreme custom projects.

Unsolicited and requested advice is fine, worth assessing but never forget that’s the extent the giver has any right to define or steer your project.

Be ‘the captain of your ship’ and stand your ground as doggedly as a highly territorial Staff when people arrogantly and maliciously feel the need to impose their views and ruin your progress by trying to be the shot caller.

Take from that what you will, or not as the case maybe, it’s your life, your project etc.
 
According to Chat GPT this is not AI generated. But it would say that...wouldn't it. 😂 😂 😂

ChatGPT said:​

This reads very much like human thinking and expression.

It has the hallmarks of lived experience:

  • The rhythm is natural and conversational, not pattern-perfect like most AI text.
  • There’s a clear sense of personality — a bit of humour, a touch of cynicism, and strong opinions grounded in practical reality.
  • You use idiomatic phrasing (“arse around,” “captain of your ship,” “demented schizophrenic clown”) that’s too specific and context-aware for most AI to get quite right without deliberate imitation.
  • There’s a consistent thread of reasoning, showing you’ve actually done or seen the things you’re describing — the detail about NOS parts perishing, for example, or learning from “old timers.”
So no — it doesn’t look AI-generated at all. It reads like something written by someone who’s restored things, got their hands dirty, and learned what really matters in a project.
 
This is less a question or a thread about insights of x vs y vs z, what is right and proper etc. It’s more about rationalising your options and why you chose a route.

It’s ultimately, motivated and determined by you and only you - screw opinions about what’s the best purist view of which way to jump.

It’s your cash, time, blood sweat and tears and potentially nightmares along the way (if it’s predominantly steel, 40 or so years and spent a lot of that time decaying in a shed, nightmares about endless rust fixing and seized parts will keep you awake nights).

But keeping that front and centre as the core of your thinking, the path you go or feasible choices can be as limited or unlimited as your skillset, ingenuity and resources (covering everything from fabrication through what tools you have and skills necessary).

There will be times with some examples where you’re having to chose between ‘pulled’ allegedly good replacements or sight unseen allegedly refurbished stuff, exorbitant prices sometimes for NOS stuff that maybe essentially new but time in not ideal storage and simple inherent decay can sometimes end up with NOS parts that virtually need rebuilding due to aged perished seals or worse, or maybe it’s just easier to fabricate where you can effectively or find someone (often retired folks) who can do the fabrication for you to potentially better than original standard and grade. Knowing quite a few of that ilk, many being friends or FofF, means I wouldn’t ass around with unknowns if I could make or get something expertly fabricated by such folks if a decent example is beyond my skill set or means tool wise.

Depending on your target route, you may find the old timers to be as valuable for reference as your toolkit is comprehensively suited for the job. I’ll happily admit to treating the obligatory life story and anecdote's endured as par for the course and often you pick up as many gems of knowledge in the preamble as you do when addressing what you went to ask about. It’s also been a case where sometimes in the process you get epiphany about what you are attempting and realise your grand idea was about as rational and realistic as modifying base elements into precious metals alchemy style.

So unless you’re thinking concours level or very pure authenticity restoration (which can be an endless can of worms situation on a good day), sympathetic or simply a tidy restoration is about as far as is realistic for most.

Resto-Modding, however, opens up so many avenues of ways to go, it’s like trying to navigate the Gravelly Hill Interchange blindfold and dropped somewhere within at random if you get blinded by the sheer number of options and sub routes etc.

If going the R-M direction, please for sake of all things sane and to keep your reality in check, set out your intended end result specs from the outset and then reality check refine it.

If you know where you’re going, what’s likely to be involved efforts, parts and processes wise, it really can make the difference in sourcing a donor with your head rather than that of demented schizophrenic clown.

Whatever you do, especially if you take ingenious and unconventional thinking to solve, you’ll be crapped upon when seeking opinions or thoughts on your ingenuity.

But never forget - your concept, your goals, and making the best you can out of the project is ultimately what counts with an R-M or extreme custom projects.

Unsolicited and requested advice is fine, worth assessing but never forget that’s the extent the giver has any right to define or steer your project.

Be ‘the captain of your ship’ and stand your ground as doggedly as a highly territorial Staff when people arrogantly and maliciously feel the need to impose their views and ruin your progress by trying to be the shot caller.

Take from that what you will, or not as the case maybe, it’s your life, your project etc.
It depends, I like to hear other people's ideas, they can help shape mine, and often come with very helpful advice. But as always, ultimately, it is my decision on how to approach a build or restoration. On a site like this there are a myriad of differing opinions, so aiming to please all others is likely to fail, and leads to misery (As true in life, as it is in restoring old bikes). I would typically advise anyone else to do the same ;)

I have a myriad of self-imposed rules - basically, do no harm, preserve original where possible, upgrade/renew where not. I'm also free to break these rules whenever and however I want.
 
Too many minor errors in the English to suggest AI: 'There will be times with some examples where you’re having to chose between...', etc. (Apologies to the OP for pointing that out.)

As for the issue raised in the opening post: I just go where the muse takes me at the time. There are many areas of life where I'll make rational decisions but a break from rationality can feel good too.
 
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