Frame help please

[Giom6]

Hi,

Can anybody help me identify my race frame please? I bought it off eBay a few years ago and it was stickered as a Colnago but I'm pretty sure its not. I did notice that it had Campagnolo dropouts on the front forks which is why I would like to find out what it is.

A couple of images attached if they help to shed any light on the subject...

Thanks,
Gio

 

[doctor-bond]

I've had a quick search but can't work it out. That said, if you posted a few more details, I'm sure there are some experts out there who could narrow it down.

I love the lugs: long asymmetrical spearpoint with cut outs - can't be that common. Shot out seat stays distinctive too.

The undermounted top tube cable guides aren't everyday either: they were used on late 60s Raleigh Professionals.

It looks an interesting bike that's worth perservering with. What about some more pics of dropouts, BB shell and fork? Any serial numbers? What size seat post does it take?

 

[roadking]

Shot in stays are not uncommon, the lugs look like Prugnat Long Points or Bocamas.

The cable guides are no guide to identity, they're not uncommon either.

Best next step is a number; either under the BB or on a rear dropout, any doubts frame number will also be on the steerer tube.

Hunch: it's late 70s early 80s frame; shorelines not great so leads me to think its not special, not bad but not special.

Roadking.

 

[Giom6]

Thanks for the comments guys.

I had a look for a serial number at the weekend but there was nothing on the bottom bracket or the drop outs. I did quickly try to remove the forks to look at the steerer tube but they woudn't budge so when I ge the chance I will have a better go.

Both the fork and rear dropouts are Campagnolo (you might be able to just see if it on the image of the fork drop outs) and the bottom bracket has three cut out sections if that is distinctive at all.

It takes a 27 mm seat post.

I did think it was a Raleigh but why would a Raleigh have Campag drop outs?

 

[Giom6]

Here is a picture of the bottom bracket and headset.

 

[roadking]

Many Raleighs had Campagnolo dropouts - commonly fitted to a wide range of medium and high quality framesets over the years.

The cut outs in the BB could have been done by anyone and may, or may not be, a clue to the maker.

I am not certain that it is a Raleigh, and the fork crown is a slight puzzle, fork doesn't look like it goes with the frame.

I am reasonably certain it's English...braze-ons are a clue. Careful application of Nitromors might reveal seattube/downtube/headtube transfers, need to be careful when doing this.

Roadking.

 

[keithglos]

A bit after my time, but looks late 70's. The chainstays are look unusual, are they round to round rather than the round-oval-round.
The front forks appear to have been modified, and shortened, with the ends brazed in higher up, with the usual domed and slotted end cut off and roughly brazed. The blades look as if they might have had the rake adjusted, beaten a bit shorter.
The rear ends look as if the end of the chain stays have been shortened.
If you look down the seat stays do they appear to curve slightly to the
front.

I could be wrong on all this, it's just what I think I can see in the pictures, not like running hands over it.