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Sorry, mid 1984...

Hi - Through the strangest of routes - a Stuart Purves 1951 frame advertised as a barn find Roy Thame (not) - it seems my Eclipse frame is a Holdsworth/Claud Butler mid 1983 Claud Butler Majestic - the lugs are almost identical - and if anything slightly better done on my frame. Greg of Bike UK...

Sorry, the '84 frame was quoted as 531 not the CS variant. The Eclipse also had Weinmann centre pull but it had Wolber rims with Campag hubs that got special mention in the Bicycle Buyer's Bible of the time...The 84 Majestic is quoted at £245 and the Eclipse was £280 (I added a Brooks B17).

Would that suggest my frame is 531CS rather than plain 531 - the '85 catalogue Majestic pic looks silvery as well...incidentally mine has the GB forged stem and their handlebars, had the same pump, and SR chainset

Looks the same to me...

The top-tube/seat lug looks the same - so could well be a Majestic...

I can't find a close-up of the Majestic lugs - but if it were a Majestic frame could it be the case it was made in '84, stored in primer, ordered in '85 by Greg of Bike UK, painted silver then (I ordered the colour) and shipped to the Bike UK place off the Strand to be assembled by Greg's two...

Sorry, I'm away and don't have that pic on the computer, but it was on bottom of the crank tube, I think across-wise similar to the other photo. Do you mean on the CB history site - is there a link?

I had it from new, OE Eclipse from Bike UK, the cavernous undercroft behind and below the Strand - could it be it was made up to a CB Majestic design, but for Greg Oxenham, the Eclipse guy?

Hi Dave - re-attached here. Regards

Hi - As far as I can see from Dave's wondrous researches that would not be a Holdsworth number, but he's the man. It seems Orbit has gone through many hands and have no records of their 80s work, but try leaving a note on the Eclipse thread and you may get a response from us few Eclipse owners...

Hi - Thank you, that's interesting - there is a pic up already at viewtopic.php?f=6&t=385528&start=10 does that look like a Holdsworth? Not at home for a while so can't check where the number is.

Hi - This is not quite the right thread - look under Eclipse - but mine is 060855. I am only guessing but that might mean 85/5 is May -85. I had not heard about Holdsworth making the frames, people often quote Orbit as the frame-maker. By the 80s there was the Holdsworth shop in Putney - that...

It seems Stuart Purves possibly designed the lugs (this is type 1, there was also a cheaper type 2) and drew them up at full size for Les Ephgrave to cut out and braze. There appear to be only six Purves frames known, this one makes seven, and the frame number suggests Oct 51 frame 13 (year or...

You'll have to ask Hiroshi Asada in Japan...(via classiclightweights)

Re: Re: Hi - Could you possibly help with a similar question for a Suntour GPX? The '89 catalogue shows only 1 - 126mm OLD, I have a 7 speed hub in poor condition and found a 6 speed hub at 126mm - would the spline length be the same for the two - I read the 7th cog was attached to the 6th -...

Re: I'm zero expert but I read it might be original bilaminate welding.

Thank you again, Terry, no problem. So are you of the view it would be SP who designed those two lug options? I did come across Ephgrave pics of a stripped frame, the lugs standard but the design less ornate and I understand they were an Ephgrave design (attached). I'm a design fan hence the...

Thank you Terry, that's great. So were the lugs designed by Stuart Purves? How can you tell which frames were built by SP and which by Ephgrave? Re your first assumption, I wish I had been pointed to the proper photos earlier instead of the badly doctored ones, but it would have been well beyond...

Re: I was pointed to pics after all - attached. The interesting points are: 1. The brake bridge is curved with diamond reinforcements, and I only found Ephgrave (from 1949/50) or Flying Scot (from 1954) frames with that feature. 2. The lugs are among the most complex I have seen - and the best...