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Re: Re: thanks. I wanted specifically ritchey classic bars and stem on this one so that was a conscious decision to go with 31.8, despite it being an unpopular one with vintage enthusiasts. The seat post is a cheap aluminium one: http://www.goldsprintshop.com/Kalloy-standard-seatpost I...

Update: i got a master PIU with precisa forks, fitted it up with new shimano 105 (but with a tiagra crankset - im not rich), fulcrum wheels, a quill stem adapter and ritchey classic high polish silver hardware and sele italia seat and tape. I don't like the bottle cages and will get silver ones...

Re: Somehow i doubt a Master will be inferior to what my local frame builder will cobble together with stock round oversized tubing and a tape measure. With the correct sized stem and frame (57cm+80mm), i would imagine the master would be much better than any bog standard tubeset bospoke frame...

Re: Re: I have a carbon bike (ROSE XLITE 57cm, 7kg) - a bit ugly but very fast, I only use for serious riding occasions and PRs - approx 3000km per year Diamant steel bike (Belgium not east German) with columbus GARA - very nice bike and have done probably 15000km or more on this as my...

Thanks for all your replies! So we have decided that the colnago master is not the holy grail. To me it is important that my bike looks extremely nice and rides extremely nice. Because I also ride carbon, I define "nice" as not too heavy but also stiff. A new supercorsa looks cool but it is...

Re: Thanks, i wouldnt have thought of that!

Re: Re: ha ha - just saw your post after I posted. To reiterate my question... I'm actually looking to BUY a frameset so this isn't a TDF winner geek-off, rather I'm asking for people's personal experiences with specific extremely excellent frames which aren't too rare which might be better...

Re: Many of the bikes that won the TDF were custom and some even rebadged. So similar frames commercially available at the time, to those which appeared to be in the TDF, were often not the same thing at all. Indurain for example did not ride actual Pinarellos - they were rebadged.

Hi there, What is the best classic mid 80s-90s height of technology steel frameset in terms of stiffness, weight and feel? It must not be so rare or expensive that I cannot buy it, for example, I can find a few colnago master framesets on ebay for 700€ - 900€. My friend has a master and it is...