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What I want is information or data, not to spend all my energy explaining that I'm not a liar, or introducing China's titanium alloy industry to dispel misunderstandings. If you still don't believe me, then so be it. However, I don't think this seller provides international shipping.

In short, so far, no one has been able to provide clear evidence to prove whether it is real or fake. There is only the speculation that it is fake just because it is in China. Maybe this is also the cleverness of this imitation—making it impossible to determine. Here is the seller's Taobao...

I have no intention of deceiving anyone, and I have never denied the possibility that this is a replica. If you check the seller's Taobao store, you'll find they have many more beautiful and expensive mountain bikes, which are clearly not fakes. What's more, they have additional frames that...

The welding quality of this frame is poor and very rough, but the imitation of parts like the dropout is extremely detailed. This is quite contradictory. Factories capable of CNC machining parts should have much better welding skills than what's shown here. Among counterfeit products, this one...

Of course, as I said, I customize titanium frames for many people. Although I don't work for a factory, I can draw CAD and SolidWorks designs for frames or 3D parts. But I love frames with a history. I got to know this seller precisely because I understand the titanium alloy industry, so I'm...

Hahaha, but I'm not the seller. To be honest, I originally wanted to buy it, which is why I hoped someone could tell me if it's real or fake. But now I've dropped that idea.

You might be joking, but as a matter of fact, there are very mature titanium frame factories in Xi'an and at Hilight in Beijing, China. Hilight Beijing has many of its own CNC machines as well as titanium 3D printing equipment. Welding titanium requires special qualifications, and the wages of...

What I mean is, if this frame is a counterfeit, it shouldn’t have been made in recent years. Because to achieve a detailed replica, you’d need a factory with machining capabilities, not just a place that can only weld tubes. The welding quality of such factories would be much better than this...

As for me, I’m not the seller. I just bought a frame from him before, and I’m simply curious about this particular frame.Moreover, I often customize titanium frames for people in China, and there are also many who want to replicate a certain model. I know the prices of custom dropouts and these...

It might be a counterfeit, but it can't be a recent one. Because China's titanium frame welding technology has improved significantly in recent years, such rough welding could only have happened a decade ago.

Some of his frames are sold on Taobao, and some others are on Xianyu, a second-hand platform in China.

In china，he also has many other vtg mtb，Most of them were acquired on eBay.

Other than these and the ones I sent initially, there are no more pictures. He took photos of it when he was cleaning out the warehouse earlier, and now it's probably buried in the warehouse again.

You're right. Whether it's a counterfeit or a sample frame, I'd like to find clear evidence or information. But it seems that all we can do about this bike is speculate.

I think if it were a counterfeit, something this meticulously made shouldn't exist as just a single piece. After all, back then, not mass-producing it would likely have made its cost even higher than that of the Xizang. Maybe we could find more counterfeits to prove it wasn't made by GT, but...

He acquired this frame on eBay many years ago, and it made its way to him across the Pacific. Since I often deal with titanium alloy factories in China, I’m certain this isn’t a frame produced in China in recent years. Their welds these days couldn’t have flaws like the pores seen on this frame...

That's definitely a possibility. But there seems to be no point in copying the Zaskar—they could have just copied the Xizang instead. The main thing is that so many details are identical; it's rare to see such a meticulously copied fake, especially since it wasn't mass-produced.

From my experience, it's 100% titanium

Its top tube is like that of this All Terra, for which I also can't find the specific year

all terra