J3aay, thank you what a great response. Apparently i have an LT version of the bike. I have just dropped the frame off to be shot blasted and then powder coated white, with a clear Lacquer on top. My Msisle has just had this done in Orange and it looks simply magic. Still not sure if i will keep the Patriot, will see how it looks and how i feel after its been powder coated. I will stick the Psylos on here at some point, they will be fine for a pub hack or commuter, but having had a good look round them and reading other peoples thoughts around them i dont think they are for the Patriot project. I also think my Reba will be a bit light weight. So i guess i need some kind of compromise. Would Pikes be a could bet if i wanted to use the bike for Trails?