VeloFellow54 wrote:
More on Allin frames :
I have acquired a further 2 Allin frames recently that may be of interest.
The first of these has Ekla lugs and fits perfectly with the description in 'Cycling' from December 1948 describing the 'new' Stan Butler Model' (note use of singular - not 'models').This recent acquisition is stamped in the fork tube and left rear drop out with number 520. I am not certain that Allin continued to use Ekla lugs after around 1950 once Nervex lugs became available. Maybe a reader can clarify this point ?
I have compared the water slide decals on these frames with the vinyl types supplied by H Lloyd and feel certain that the decals on them originated at Allins. However I would be interested to know if anyone other than Lloyds have originated replacement decals for Allin machines of waterslide type.
Also,to attempt to clarify frame numbers / dates it would be interesting to compile a list of numbers if possible from earlier machines particularly if they have original paint / decals or receipts indicating dates. Perhaps other owners of early Allin frames may wish to contribute.
Firstly regarding lugs, Allin used many different lug styles over the years, in Peter Cobbs lair there were many boxes of lugs of these various types - bought in bulk and many were left over long after their production ceased*.
I have a number of sets of original waterslide decals including the two downtube font styles that were available. A friend has the Allin frame book and another worked in the shop for over two decades.
Think you may have mis-read the ad', viz your
singular point. In any case typesetters were often guilty of typos !!! There were three Stan Butler models, all are detailed in the price lists I have in my collection.
Pics are useful when discussing frames.
Rk.
*last year I bought two sets of Capella lugs - how old are they (rhetorical question I knowhow old they are) ?
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V-CC member #584, co-founder of V-CC Lincolnshire section, member South Eastern Road Club. In the garage - 1987 Roberts(lugless)Audax, 1986 Raleigh SBDU Pro Super, 1984 Raleigh LU Corsa, 1984 Roberts Tourer, 1980 Allin Stan Butler Special, 1977 Geoffrey Butler(Cliff Shrubb built), 1976 Geoffrey Butler(Roberts built), 1975 Bill Philbrook(lugless)tourer, , 2 x v.early Roberts #107 & #127, 1966 Raleigh Superbe Roadster, 1964 Allin Stan Butler Special Belgique, 1951 Hobbs of Barbican S/C, 1950 Hobbs of Barbican S/C, 1947 Hetchins Super Special. MTBs - 1988 Specialized Stumpjumper, 1988 Muddy Fox Courier(Wife's).