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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:52 pm 
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Now that is a nice bike. One of best examples and specs I’ve seen by far.

I’m guessing it doesn’t accelerate or stop that well though.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:24 pm 
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d8mok wrote:
Now that is a nice bike. One of best examples and specs I’ve seen by far.

I’m guessing it doesn’t accelerate or stop that well though.


No and none of them are going to be applied to it either.

I want it to be one of the best Gator Adroits out there once I add a few more bits to it.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:29 pm 
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midibiker wrote:
What about mine for the best example out there?


Yes, beautiful! Perhaps it is the photograph but it seems to show the typical fading on the top tube from exposure to sun light. Other than that it is stunning. Congrats.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:50 pm 
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KLEINselig wrote:
midibiker wrote:
What about mine for the best example out there?


Yes, beautiful! Perhaps it is the photograph but it seems to show the typical fading on the top tube from exposure to sun light. Other than that it is stunning. Congrats.


It is the way it has come out in the picture due to the outdoor light reflecting off the paint and I'm not great with getting outdoor pictures like a pro.

There is no fading on this bike and it reflects the light like anything. I will try and do an indoor close up shot of the paintwork as proof.

See the indoor picture below where it is out of the natural daylight that one is a bit better but it still reflects the indoor light.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 6:47 am 
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Hey, no need to proof anything. It is a fantastic bike. You deserve to be extremely proud. Also the choice of components is a testimony to your formidable taste.
If I‘d ever had the chance to buy a gator Adroit I might run the risk of violating a fundamental bike owners law: b = n - 1,
Where b is the ideal number of bikes to own and n is the number of bikes that would trigger one‘s spouse to divorce :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 8:41 am 
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KLEINselig wrote:
Hey, no need to proof anything. It is a fantastic bike. You deserve to be extremely proud. Also the choice of components is a testimony to your formidable taste.
If I‘d ever had the chance to buy a gator Adroit I might run the risk of violating a fundamental bike owners law: b = n - 1,
Where b is the ideal number of bikes to own and n is the number of bikes that would trigger one‘s spouse to divorce :mrgreen:


Thanks and I know the feeling. I am currently in the process of trying to buy another and I have a choice of an Moonrise Attitude or a Sunburst Adroit but I can't afford both of them right now.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 1:24 pm 
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midibiker wrote:
KLEINselig wrote:
Hey, no need to proof anything. It is a fantastic bike. You deserve to be extremely proud. Also the choice of components is a testimony to your formidable taste.
If I‘d ever had the chance to buy a gator Adroit I might run the risk of violating a fundamental bike owners law: b = n - 1,
Where b is the ideal number of bikes to own and n is the number of bikes that would trigger one‘s spouse to divorce :mrgreen:


Thanks and I know the feeling. I am currently in the process of trying to buy another and I have a choice of an Moonrise Attitude or a Sunburst Adroit but I can't afford both of them right now.

Gotta be Moonrise every time.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 5:30 pm 
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Having owned a Sunburst. Has to be Sunburst


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:00 pm 
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I like your bikes a lot and an MC1 Adroit in 20" or 21" is also on my list for sure being the last of the KLEIN MTBs I have not yet owned. Let me know if there is one around to be sold.

I think that the most of us agree that those bikes are a work of art and that they need to be preserved. However, preserving such a piece of history comes with certain obligations. Creating a light bike with today's parts is not so difficult - just carry a bunch of Dollars to your LBS and buy whatever is light and expensive; carbon seat post, carbon rims, carbon steerer, carbon seat, 1x12 drive train, modern v-brakes, you name it. Once installed you will have a damn lite bike and you know what: with the right parts installed, it will also ride way better than the ones back in the days. But is that desirable? Where is the difference to a modern carbon bike painted just like your favorite KLEIN from the 90s? Neither is the real thing!

It is a lot more difficult to build a sub 7 Kilo bike with period correct components. Those need to be hunted - you cannot just go to the LBS and buy them. Also, just because PAUL used to be around in the 90s, it does not make mounting today's Love Levers or shifter perches period correct.

These things really do not feel right to me. You have the most desirable frames from the 90s and you try to build something tasteful and extraordinary but in my eyes using parts that are not parts which could have been mounted to that frame in the 90s because they did not exist makes you come way short of what could be achieved if the parts were consistent with the style (and age) and rarity those frames resemble.

One of my classic bikes is also equipped with modern parts for the daily use and there is a certain thrill to just use the best from the past together with today's technologies. This works very good but that does not make the build something special. It is like a Bugatti with an original frame from the 1920s but with an electric conversion. I love Bugattis and I am also quite intrigued by the performance of modern electric cars but it would not be the real thing! It is so much more difficult but desirable to keep a 1920s car running with the technology of its time by also using the parts and materials of that time in particular if it s something as rare and unique as a Bugatti - this is history alive.

I am with you on all things subject to wear like brake pads and tires - use modern parts if the bike is driven but that's an easy swap when you need it for display only.

Other than that guys, go for the hunt! Look for (I am just making this up for illustration purposes) the proper 1st gen. Love Levers with the early style round PAUL logo sticker, look for the proper shifter perches from Grafton as well as maybe the front and rear derailleurs from Precision Billet, etc. If you want to get really light then get inspired by what Klein itself did with its ultra-light versions (hi-e hubs, etc.). You will not get as light as you could with modern parts but once completed, you will be far more satisfied because you have the REAL THING - trust me!

Other than that, do what you want because it is your bike. If you get happy with it they way it is - all is good.

I am keeping attention because I think I have seen some things pointing into the right direction and I really hope you guys do not get me wrong on what I wrote above.

Cheers,
Andy


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:40 pm 
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I tend to agree with Andy, with one caveat though. Gary Klein‘s designs and material choices were inspired by his career as an M&P engineer at Boeing. These frames and most specifically so the Adroit were at least 20 years ahead of their time. That is why I found it „legitimate“ to pair my 1995 Quantum Pro with an 11-speed Campa Super record drive train out of 2015-ish. I regularly ride the QP and it has seen its fair share of Swiss alp passes. Therefore, I welcome a bit of modern drive train luxury.
Would I put modern components on such an epic classic as a gator Adroit? Certainly not! Would I even ride it? Perhaps I would not dare to.


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