Retrobike Forum Index

It is currently Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:11 pm

* Login   * Register * Search  * FAQ



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:56 pm 
Dirt Disciple

Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:05 am
Posts: 13
I have owned an English Cycles Range rider since 1989 and wish to know what wheel size it was originally built for. The frame number begins with 'RR' followed by three numbers. I had 559 wheels on the bike and have now graduated to 700c which looks right, but was it originally built for 650B?. The paint finish is the original finish in dark grey/almost black and appears to be a cellulose top-coat over a powder-coated base finish for durability. I say original as the head tube and down tube stickers are still intact. There is a Hakkapelita sticker on the top tube but as that company made both 650b and 700c tyres that would be no pointer to wheel size. The bike is currently undergoing a light refurbishment including new chainguards.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:37 pm 
Onnnne Huuuunnnndrreeed and Eigggghhhhty

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:44 pm
Posts: 180
Location: bristol
Interested to hear about your English Cycles Range Rider , it would be good to know the bikes full specification when you purchased it .
This would help in dating/placing it in the Geoff Apps/Cleland time line . What does it say on the down tube stickers ?

I have no doubt that GJW will be on your case soon

A photo would be a great help


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:13 pm 
Dirt Disciple

Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:05 am
Posts: 13
Thanks for the reply. I have a picture taken before the refurbishment. The frame number is RR followed by a 3 figure number. The wheels in the picture are 700c.


Attachments:
IMG_20190921_111024aa.jpg
IMG_20190921_111024aa.jpg [ 2.9 MiB | Viewed 1298 times ]
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:35 am 
Onnnne Huuuunnnndrreeed and Eigggghhhhty

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:44 pm
Posts: 180
Location: bristol
Thanks for the fantastic photo !

Its really interesting to see this bike and it would be even more interesting to know its frame number ? so that
it can find its place in the Apps/Cleland/Range Rider/Jeremy Torr timeline

It was almost certainly fitted with 700c wheels from the start , laced to a Leleu hub brake at the front , and
a Sturmey Archer hub brake at the rear . However the rear brake reaction arm looks a bit strange ?

I would have expected the front and rear mechs to have been Shimano Deerheads ? also the TA Cyclotouriste
Chainset to be run as a triple with the outer ring used as a bash guard ( with the teeth removed )

What are you planning to refurbish ? it looks to have a nice original finish in quite good condition for 40+ years

I may have a spare used middle chainring should you be interested ?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:34 am 
Dirt Disciple

Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:05 am
Posts: 13
I'm keeping the paint original as the powder coating is in quite good condition apart from where the chain has bashed against the chainstay. Thanks for the offer of the middle chainring. Do you have a price in mind for the chainring or are you up for any swaps?. I will post some updated pictures of the bike as soon as it's finished


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:42 pm 
Onnnne Huuuunnnndrreeed and Eigggghhhhty

Joined: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:44 pm
Posts: 180
Location: bristol
The TA Chainset on my Cleland is 26T/43T/52 (plain ring) I will pm you about the midddle ring

Is the chainstay straight or curved near the tyre ?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:19 pm 
Lincs, East and South Yorks Deputy AEC
Lincs, East and South Yorks Deputy AEC
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:55 pm
Posts: 7181
Location: GUNNESS NTH LINCS
This is bloody lovely cheif


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re:
PostPosted: Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:19 pm 
Lincs, East and South Yorks Deputy AEC
Lincs, East and South Yorks Deputy AEC
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:55 pm
Posts: 7181
Location: GUNNESS NTH LINCS
This is bloody lovely cheif


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:30 pm 
Dirt Disciple

Joined: Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:05 am
Posts: 13
focomat 1c wrote:
The TA Chainset on my Cleland is 26T/43T/52 (plain ring) I will pm you about the midddle ring

Is the chainstay straight or curved near the tyre ?

The chainstay is curved near the rear tyre.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:12 am 
retrobike rider
retrobike rider
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:25 pm
Posts: 1053
Location: Near Wendover Bucks
Hello hedgesteeper, and thanks focomat 1c.for flagging this up to me

It's great to see this bike and in particular the fact that it is still fitted with a Leleu drum-brake at least on the front. The presence of this brake indicates that this is an early model because later models were fitted with Sturmey Archer Elite drums. The SA Elite brakes first appeared for sale in 1985, though I don't know without further research when English Cycles started to use them. My guess would be that this bike dates from somewhere between 1983 and 1986. The width of the front hub flanges or a picture of the brake from the front would help to date the bike more precisely.

If it has Hakka stickers then the original tyres were most probably 650x54b. 26" Hakkapeliittas were never made and I have not heard of an English Cycles Range-Rider being originally fitted with 700c wheels. However, next time I contact Jeremy Torr I will ask him whether if he ever fitted that size.

Originally the 650b bikes used Super Champion rims which were not the strongest of rims and might have been damaged and then replaced by 700c. Alternatively, its owners might have found it difficult to find replacement tyres and so changed to a 700c because that size was commonly used on hybrid bikes from 1985 onwards.

The Leleu brakes though crudely constructed are easy to maintain and have a patented self-centering mechanism that mimics way that hydraulic drum-brakes function. They brake more powerfully than the SA's and are not effected by the build up of dust and uneven shoe wear that can hamper the SA's


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Baulz, Google [Bot], sandgrown, Scvintage and 32 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

About Us

Follow Retrobike

Other cool stuff

All content © 2005-2015 Retrobike unless otherwise stated.
Cookies Policy.
bikedeals - the best bike deals in one place
FatCOGS - Fat Chance Owner's Group

Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group