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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:35 am 
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Hi all, and greetings from Manitoba, Canada. First-time poster here with my first road bike project.

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At first, I was just looking for a cheap retro 10-speed frame to strip down, repaint, and build up with new 2x10 componentry. But I happened upon a Raleigh Europa, and the more I read about it, the more I'm thinking I should restore it, rather than repurpose it. Especially if there is an anniversary edition selling for £1500!

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Full album of the dismantling so far: https://imgur.com/a/kmKQbbQ

First off, from what I can tell, the model I have is from 1974, maybe? It seems to match this catalog image that was posted in another thread:
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There are no serial numbers (that I can see) to help identify it. I've attached some more pics that might help, but if there is anything else to look for, please let me know!

My second question has to do with the bottom bracket. I've removed the cup from the left side, but it looks like the cup on the right side is actually fixed, or at least painted on. Is that possible? All my research seems to indicate that both sides should be removable. I gave it a bit of elbow grease and managed to chip off part of the rectangular raised edge, so I'm holding off until I find out if it's meant to be removed.

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Finally, is it worth the hassle to try and get a more "modern" bottom bracket for this bike (i.e. tapered rather than a cottered axle)? Sheldon Brown's blog makes it sound like the combination of thread size and other issues might make it more pain than worth. Has anyone else had luck with this?

Thanks in advance for any assistance!


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:10 am 
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The RH bracket cup is left hand thread, and very tight.
This bike would be a low end mass produced model.
26 TPI was used by Raleigh for nearly 100 years for head and bracket threads when the standard for British bikes was 24 TPI.

Keith


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:26 am 
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Just a couple of comments

I don't know if your £1500 anniversary comment was tongue in cheek, but to be clear, these are 2 very different beasts. One is as good as steel gets, one is a gas pipe budget bike, albeit both are painted to team colours

The painted bottom bracket cup concerns me. I've never seen one painted, they are usually chromed steel, which suggests to me a previous owner has done some painting. Maybe as innocent as the chrome had tarnished and a lick of paint was in order. The design of the cup with the flats like that looks like an adjustable cup (typically in the left side with a right hand thread), so I would hope it hasn't been cross-threaded in. Saying that, it's Raleigh, who back then had their own bearing sets


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:47 am 
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Block up axle hole and give thread a good soaking with plus gas or similar .


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:52 am 
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A small amount of heat (from your butane/propane torch) directed at the fixed cup may help to free it too. Just be careful to avoid the paint on the frame. The idea is to make it expand slightly then shrink as it cools, allowing the Plusgas/similar to do its penetratey thing.

Please don't secure any loans on the prospect of achieving £1500 for the finished bike; You may be disappointed.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:31 pm 
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Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, I realize it’s reverse threaded (and likely 26TPI, which is why I asked about the ease of converting the bottom bracket).

And, don’t worry ... my £1500 comment was meant tongue in cheek! I’ll be happy to just get the bike up and working again for myself. As I’m sure you’ll all agree, this hobby is more likely to cost money than it is a source of income! ;)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:41 pm 
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Did one of these a while back. Enjoy. Checking in for updates.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:31 pm 
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The History Man wrote:
Did one of these a while back. Enjoy. Checking in for updates.


That looks pretty slick, History Man! Do you have a post anywhere detailing the rebuild, or new components you used? I'd be curious to compare and get ideas.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:02 pm 
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I found the serial number on the frame. Silly me looking under the bottom bracket and not realizing it was behind the seat post. NN0053503 ... which according to here means a bike made in Nottingham, in approximately October 1980.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:52 pm 
GOLD | PoTM | Rider | rBOTM
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cviebrock wrote:
The History Man wrote:
Did one of these a while back. Enjoy. Checking in for updates.


That looks pretty slick, History Man! Do you have a post anywhere detailing the rebuild, or new components you used? I'd be curious to compare and get ideas.

It was pretty much stock. Just needed total rebuild and cleanup.

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