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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:38 pm 
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Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone can help me identify an FC Parkes frame I've recently taken on as a project?

Basically it's been sitting for years in my father in laws lockup and actually belongs to a friend (who has given me the go ahead to clean it up). The end result of this, despite years of living under a leaky asbestos roof is that it's in need of a bit of a clean up with minor rust removal. I can't actually believe how good the condition is that it's in, the only parts needing total replacement (after a quick check over) are the rims which are totally rusted and split, the tyres and the chain. Even the gear and brake cables are still clean!

Any, that's enough of that, I took down as many notes as I could, I don't have pictures but will get some as soon as I can. Spec is as follows:

FC Parkes frame - Pre '61 as it has the birmingham headtube decal (not badge) but not like any I've seen in any searches, looks quite modern so may be a late model? It's a sort of deep metallic red (similar to Rockshox Boxxer cherry reds for those in the know) with cream stripes and a red painted headtube rather than polished or secondary colour and chrome forks. The braze on pump lugs look to have been ground off at some point and a newer screw on lug is obscuring the tube metal identifier (I'll get that off and look later). There is a # on to of each seat stay cap (at the seat tube). Frame numbers appear to be 3866045 on the BB and 3649Z on the dropout.

Williams cranks, unknown pedals with Brooks clips
Milremo stem and possibly bars (definitely bar plugs though). Stem has traces of red enamel detail.
Sachs Huret 4786? shifter
Benelux rear mech
Wrights saddle
Weinmann brake levers and Weinmann 750 / Vainqueur 999 calipers
Unknown hubs (starting to flake/ disintegrate) on unknown rims. Suspect they may be Weinmann as they have a dimpled braking surface.
It also has the original mudguards which are servicable but definitely not mint.

By the look of the spec I'm guessing it's been modified over the years, I'm guessing during the early 70's onwards. I'm going to speak to the owner, hopefully in the next week and try and get some history of it.

I know a picture would be more helpful, I'll get one ASAP but of anyone could help with identifying this it would be appreciated.

Thanks, Dave


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:31 pm 
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Hi, can you revisit the dropout serial number, the 'Z' is okay, but the first two or three digits should be alphabetic. A photo will help a lot, and as a general statement, the Parkes models reflected the better Sun models in the 30's, 40's, and 50's. Terry


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:13 pm 
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No problem, I did think the number was wrong going by everything I've read. Will sort out as soon as I can.

Thanks for your help so far though :)


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:38 pm 
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Wow it's been a while...

Not done much with the bike other than rescue it from it's damp prison and move it to my loft. Had a sit on it and the rims collapsed, not that it was much of a surprise. I've been assured it's a 1970's model by the owner as his mum got it new for his birthday!

Still no wiser as to what model it is though...


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:52 pm 
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Hi, I'm afraid, if the badging is to be believed it has to be pre 1960. The Parkes brand was retried by the Raleigh/Carlton giant in the sixties but did have Worksop, not Birmingham on the badge decals. So what other clues have we : - its a real mixed bag, the lugs look similar to Sun lugs from the late 30's to early 50's, the dropouts appear post war, but the forks look quite a bit later. So a good look at the serial number on the dropout will help to start with. Terry


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:04 pm 
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From a quick look, the rear ends and headset appear to be raleigh.
Close up pics of seat lug, head lugs, bottom bracket both sides should confirm. I don't recall the head transfer on a Parkes.
So probably 26 TPI.
Like all British bike makers, they were in serious financial problems in later 1950's, I remember Peter Parkes coming round to try and scrape up a few orders.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:16 pm 
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Benelux rear mech? That's a Huret isn't it?

Looks like it will clean up OK. Hadn't realised that the Parkes name was still in use in the 70's. Can't be many around.


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