already pm'ed you velo earlier today- give me a shout if you have not got it- I can pick you up from killie station no bother but not sure how frequent the trains are on a sunday :? Big eck not up for this?- give you a lift? This is a shortish loop 1-1.5 hr depending on stoppages and mechanicals, so anyone who wants to retreat to the pub after 1 run round.