Oh forgot to mention... Think I told Dave? I bumped into Chris Edison of Edison cycles. I've not seen him for 10yrs but he'd ridden over from Chesterfield on his bike done a lap and was on his way back when we where starting. Check this out he was on his first ever MTB frame that he'd built (25yrs young) but was decked out in full modern XT apart from cantis and I think new hope hubs? Really top bloke and an awesome frame builder, and still going strong by all accounts!