FS: Rare Jim Soens(Liverpool)Fillet Brazed Frameset.

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roadking

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Hi Guys.

A rare, from the highly regarded Jim Soens of Liverpool, frameset bought in May of 1946(531DB throughout).

22.5" seat tube and top tube (C to C), 120mm rear end so suitable for 5 or compact 6 speed freewheel.

Complete with very rare alloy headclip (headset): this will look super special (and is super rare) when restored.

Change of plan means it is available: I'd like £95.00(plus postage)for it.

Roadking.

P.S have copy of original invoice for the new owner.
 

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Suitable for a track wheel at 120mm....and 5 speed but most 6/7 speeds are 126mm.....some compact 6 speeds are 120mm.....could do it but will have to pull the rear triangle a bit unless one gets it cold set which can be done with steel...which this frame is made from.
 
I always thought fillet brazing was a newer invention? Never seen it used on such an early frame... This would build up very nice..
 
sawston_vulcan":1zau3frx said:
Suitable for a track wheel at 120mm....and 5 speed but most 6/7 speeds are 126mm.....some compact 6 speeds are 120mm.....could do it but will have to pull the rear triangle a bit unless one gets it cold set which can be done with steel...which this frame is made from.
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Six speed is easy - you just use a Suntour Ultra 6 freewheel which is the same width as a 5 speed freewheel.

A buyer would be nice.

Roadking.
 
This could be wrong, so please correct me if someone knows better...

Fillet brazing was used because of a shortage/price of metal in the period after the second world war. . Not using lugs was a significant saving if not more difficult to do but there were a lot of very skilled welders around ,I believe, and not as many jobs so the use of fillet brazing actually made sense on two counts.

Claude Butler frames are probably the most common known of this era and type.

hth

D▲NDY":3w0jpqhl said:
I always thought fillet brazing was a newer invention? Never seen it used on such an early frame... This would build up very nice..
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neuroportal":1kkptpds said:
This could be wrong, so please correct me if someone knows better...Fillet brazing was used because of a shortage/price of metal in the period after the second world war...Claude Butler frames are probably the most common known of this era and type.
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Partially true is that there was a steel shortage post WW2 (why the Land Rover had an alloy body), and manufacturing, notwithstanding the steel shortage had to readjust to peacetime - back to making ploughshares rather than bombs.
Lugs were not just in short supply beacuse of the steel shortage - there were many other factors.
Fillet brazed frames require a much greater skill in the making/mitreing than conventional lugged frames, and many framebuilders - Hobbs of Barbican, Holdsworth, Higgins and Gillot had builders who specialised in these"lugless"frames.
Many other builders built in this style, including the Soens I have for sale. Many enthusiasts report how much better a fillet brazed frame rides than a conventional lugged one.
Frustrating how a salethread rapidly becomes something else?
Roadking.
 
roadking":3ebpuqvu said:
A bump for this rare frameset.

Rk.
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Have another bump !

Out of interest - does it take a standard sized quill stem ?

A very nice frame indeed ! If I didn't have so many frames, I'd be very tempted.

Must resist - If it is still available in a month or so, I might 'have' to buy it; despite the fact missus would kill me.

Someone buy it ! Please !!!
 
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