Claud Butler frame number identification

RFS21

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Hello, thank you Chris for your fast answer. Yes I like the frame too and I will build them up as an touring bike..... it's a pity that the 1950 catalouge is not avalible on Nigels website. I asked all the people I know in the scene, but nowbody can share the 1950 one. The Continental Classic was also an idea of mine, but I wasn't sure. I read a time ago, that Claud Butler build many frames on customers demant and that the catalouges was mainly guidlines. Maybe this is such a frame. Sadly i lost the contact of the pre owner to ask again.
I have also an 1953 New Allrounder frame (with ax head design) with Avant Coureur frame angels and very early campy dropouts.....this frame was also for a longer time a riddle for me.
 
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mistyoptic

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Hi. I’m new to the forum. Had this Claud frame since 1977 (gifted) and would like to try and identify it to determine whether it’s worth spending money on. I think, if I’ve understood correctly, it’s from 1966. All info or opinions welcome. TIA
 

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Hi. I’m new to the forum. Had this Claud frame since 1977 (gifted) and would like to try and identify it to determine whether it’s worth spending money on. I think, if I’ve understood correctly, it’s from 1966. All info or opinions welcome. TIA
Any photos of the whole bike?
 

mistyoptic

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Not sure it will help much. As I recall, the wheels and chain rings were scrounged to make a functional unit. Original Brooks saddle was binned as beyond hope
 

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Not sure it will help much. As I recall, the wheels and chain rings were scrounged to make a functional unit. Original Brooks saddle was binned as beyond hope
ok, so by a process of elimination, let's go through the range.
Definitely not from the top (not posh enough) or the bottom of the range. (not poor enough)

The three in the middle are the Velo Valentino, the Classique & the European. we can discount the Classique as it's got different top tube cable eye positions. And I'm pretty sure the European had a simpler "European" set of lugs and definitely had a better fork crown.

My best assumption is its most likely a Velo Valentino.66_VeloValentino.jpg
 

mistyoptic

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Thanks for that @Peachy! just begs the question now of how much it’s worth spending on it. The bars, seat post and brakes seem original, not sure about the wheels - need to take a closer look at the hubs. Chainset and cranks certainly not. Someone in the past appears to have filed off the pump retaining lugs
 

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Thanks for that @Peachy! just begs the question now of how much it’s worth spending on it. The bars, seat post and brakes seem original, not sure about the wheels - need to take a closer look at the hubs. Chainset and cranks certainly not. Someone in the past appears to have filed off the pump retaining lugs
Two answers; if you want financial benefit, strip it and sell it broken down.
If you want an enormous feeling of well-being, restore it to the limits of your budget and then ride it.
 
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