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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:05 am 
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Cascade Brand, head tube says "The Bicycle Group" Both designed by Joe Murray

Lava Dome was a gift from a friend

Fire Mountain was bought for $15 with 4 other bikes in a Police Auction

Anyone know much about these? How much are they worth? What should I do with them? I also have both original wheelsets.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:07 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:09 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:11 am 
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i have a couple more


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:16 am 
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These are really interesting. Probably worth only £30 to £50 at present, but if someone was to smarten them up....

What size frames are they?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:51 am 
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Interesting, as these suggest TBG were using the model names before coming up with the Kona brand... If that's the case these are from 1987 (or earlier).

I want that Lava Dome :D


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:22 am 
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(and of course I'd be interesting in buying either one!)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:17 am 
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If the bikes were mine, my first priority would be to clean them up and see whether I could get them mobile again. Until you've done that, there isn't much to be said about value. In any case, whatever the value is it is mainly in their historical significance, so it will be maximised by having as much information as possible about them.

They don't show many design features in common with the first range of Konas and the 1988 Kona brochure says that Joe Murray had been designing for TBG 'for many years', so they aren't necessarily the immediate predecessors to the first bikes branded as Konas. The first Konas had geometry 'borrowed' from Brodies, and at first glance these Cascades may pre-date Brodie's involvement. But we could maybe tell how close they are to the geometry of the first Konas if you took some measurements and posted them here - I'd say c-t seat tube, c-c seat tube, c-c top tube and the head tube would do it.

Another way of dating them could be to see whether the frame serial numbers tell us anything (underneath bb shell?)

I take it you're in the US and I think there'll be a lot more memory about Cascade over there than there is here, so the mtbr vcr forum might be one good place to ask for information. Another source could be Joe Murray himself. I believe he is accessible via Voodoo, and if you can't find a way to get through to him, Hilts on this site might be able to help you, as I know he has corresponded with JM about his own early Konas.

They're certainly very interesting bikes, well worth restoring, and it would be nice to find out more about them.


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