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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:08 am 
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Fair enough. I understand some folks can be a bit tetchy, especially if they've been burnt in the past. The fact it's an Altitude Hot is cool; it'd be strange if it was an Enigma one with goat drop-outs. It's another one to add to the Altitude list 8)

So, what do we think about this colour scheme. It's a bit too school colouring book for me.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:49 am 
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re Al's comment...i concur ...the scheme/colourway its looks like its been crayoned on, with extra thick crayons..but after all that its a kona hot..nuff said..i hope it goes to a good home 8)

Ernie :wink:


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pipmeister wrote:
al-onestare wrote:
Wow, that is very interesting. A serial number is needed to confirm if this is Altitude or Enigma built.


I have asked for the serial number, so we may find out who built it and when.

kase1983 wrote:
my 1998 kona got has no serial number anywhere. ( unless its under the platic cable router )


I would be surprised if the entire serial number is obscured by the Cable Guide. It may be that the paint is thick enough around the underside of the Bottom Bracket Shell, and the stamping of the serial number has filled in. BTW, a 1998 Hot should have all Top Tube Cable routing, with no Cable Guide under the Bottom Bracket - however, as we know there are many anomalies with the Custom frames.

Pip


well i feel dumb, ive not looked in so long. cable routes are on the top, not going to chissle my paint asawy thou to find one. anyway of telling who made it?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:41 pm 
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Enigma Design and Manufacturing took on the contract in early 1997 to build 100 Hot frames and 100 Ku frames.

Enigma Hot frames have a prefix of KH7 & KH8 depending whether they were welded in 1997 or 1998 - the next digit is the month. The 1998 Hot frames will either have a late month in 1997 or 1998.

At some point the Hodaka factory in Taiwan took on the contract to build some of the 1998 Hot frames. We are not sure if this was due to the difficulty that some welders were experiencing with fabricating the frames using all tubes made from Reynolds 853.

Hodaka Hot frames a have prefix of H, and then the year. I only have two of these frames on file - my 1998 Sparkle Red with black & white decals, and Canuck's 1998 Sparkle Green with black & gold decals.

I haven't seen enough examples in detail of Enigma Hots & Hodaka Hots to identify if there is any difference between the two manufactures. I would assume that the stays could differ, although from the few that I have seen, they both use the Dew Drop / New Drop Dropouts that have a "K" stamped in them.

I suggest shining a torch across your bottom bracket shell, and see if you can make anything out.

.... or carry out this horrific crime as seen on a 2001 Fairly Works built Kula:

ImageKula serial_1 by Philip Mock, on Flickr


Edit: I've just noticed your Top Tube Cable Stops, and they differ from mine and Canuck's Hodaka frames. Maybe this is an indication of an Enigma frame. Having said that Ernie's 1998 Starz 'n' Barz Hot is a defo Enigma frame, and those Cable Stops look like mine in the pictures that I have of it..... over to you Ernie :wink: .

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 Post subject: Re: 1997 kona hot
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:13 pm 
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Cheers Pip..hope all is well mate.. :wink: ..

Just sorting myself for day shift tomorrow early start 0545 :cry: ..

Hope these are the pics you want..speak soon mate :wink:

Ernie :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: 1997 kona hot
PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:24 pm 
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Ernie wrote:
Hope these are the pics you want..speak soon mate :wink:

Ernie :wink:


Cheers handsome, that does confirm that your Cable Stops are like mine, which differ from the version on kase's Porn Star Hot.

Over to you kase with your torch :wink: .... or chisel :shock: :shock: .

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mine still has the shop sticker that supplied it.

and it says Enigma USA on it ?

never bothered to look at them in the last 14 years


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:38 pm 
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kase1983 wrote:
mine still has the shop sticker that supplied it.

and it says Enigma USA on it ?

never bothered to look at them in the last 14 years


Thank you for the picture, I've not seen that sticker before on a frame - there's your answer then.

Ernie's is a very early 1998 Enigma Hot, welded in August 1997. Perhaps your different cable stops were something that they used later on in the production run?

I would be interested to know the serial number of yours - any joy with shining a torch across the Bottom Bracket shell? I was joking about using a chisel :lol: .

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 Post subject: Re: 1997 kona hot
PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:19 pm 
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:shock: :facepalm: :shock: that is all


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:43 pm 
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Back to the main event then:

I believe that discussing the cost of e-Bay items is frowned upon around these parts, but......

The winner of the bidding on this frame has no buying or selling feedback history. I would say the the winning price is more in line with a Hei Hei or King Kahuna!

Image1997 Hot e-Bay by Philip Mock, on Flickr

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