Student Bob wrote:
...ketogenic....fat oxidation is a myth.....ECA....we all love steroids....
I hate myself for rising to this.... but.... Ketogenic diets are the best for weight loss. Less carbs means more fat burning, high fat encourages fat burning. If we leave the epileptic kids out of this, perhaps you should consider WHO is on these ketogenic diets in the first place. The problem isn't the diet, it's the dieter.
Shurely everyone knows that your body burns either fat or carbs? That was GCSE Biology stuff for me. The balance of fat burning vs. carb burning depends on the percentage exertion, so, at around 60% MaxHR most healthy people are at peak fat oxidation. Or the fat-burning zone.
Energy is conserved, assuming you're not on a ketogenic diet, and just exercising in the "fat burning zone" there's a whole deal of other stuff you're not burning up during exercise, that over time, if in excess will get long-term stored as bodyfat.
As to ketogenic diets being best for weight and bodyfat loss, they may be for some people, but not purely / solely because fat is used as the energy source - that's just the smoke and mirrors. Satiety, aiding with those with insulin resistence, leptin control, preservation of lbm, and a sneaky, obfuscated way of getting people to axe a whole deal of calories from a macronutrient that comprises the majority of most peoples' normal intake (in the ambitious hope that over time people don't overcompensate with the remaining macronutrients) may well be where it's at.
Student Bob wrote:
DNP will kill ya, ECA is ineffective. But ultimately the choice comes down to whether the average person on the street has easy access to equine-grade pharmaceuticals. Me? I skip the clenbuterol and go for a run instead.
As for the mocha... Caffeine has a long history of urban myth status for promoting weight loss. Old roadies would always train on an empty stomach and an espresso (and Belgian speedballs). Turns out that caffeine does promote fat oxidation, but to work best it needs to be combined with catechin - a flavinoid found in cacao - this is why I always stir my morning 'spro with a bar of dairy milk before jogging down to the vet's for my daily transfusion of horse blood.
First you say that ECA is ineffective then go on to talk about using caffeine? ECA has countless studies (y'know, like on pubmed...) that have concluded otherwise.
And I wasn't advocating DNP, nor ignoring the risks - just pointing out that many do use it, daftly, or otherwise.
edit: and I've just noticed the post-edit, bad form there "Bob" I've never tried to even imply that fat oxidation is a myth, I merely reject the oft abused, yet claimed significance
of it. As to steriods, I'm not about to extemporise on them, either - I've never used them, and in my experience, most that have rarely seem to do so after having been studious and thorough in their research.