Citoyen du monde wrote:
If one gets a bespoke bike built, there are a number of things that no builder would accept to do (BTW, your Raleigh has what I feel to be great set-up.)
Consensus is achieved when a feature/event or in the case, a bicycle type, has been shown to represent an idea for a large number of people. I would also like to know what you define as being "British". When I look at your Raleigh, I do not see anything British whatsoever but rather a standardized world bike.
I too like the idea of a framebuilder also having some actual race experience as a mechanic, but I often find that years of experience with a spanner do not help at all with building a frame well, something that you only achieve after years and years.
I am in broad agreement with you. I recall, as an example, when I ordered my SBDU from the SBDU, Go'D advised that I should not have shot-in seat stays on my 531Pro frame. My Lightweight Unit Corsa, on the other hand, bought new whilst I was a mere undergraduate was chosen largely using what I might now pompously call a price vs peformance ratio-I had graduated by the time the 600 group was fitted and the bike rebuilt by a very well known English TdF mechanic; who, incidentally wrote a book BITD and is named in another famous book, recently cited by one magazine as the best ever written about pro cycling.
My comment about"consensus"- note the commas - is a criticism of the very"reasons"many choose to buy what they do: in other words and very crudely:"I am unsure what to buy, therefore I'll follow the herd"(in the case of BMWs), or trend or other quasi-objective reason (bounded rationality if you will).
Your comment about, for example, eschewing Raleigh for"flashier more exotic brands"is a case in point about bounded rationality, and brands broadly these days are more introspective than nationality based - one bought a Mercedes BITD because the objective product quality was there, they buy them now because of the halo created by marketing people.
Generally you do not buy a Mercedes because it is German, whereas you did BITD: as being German was associated with objective product quality in cars.
My definition of British, or English is a very simple one. It is a thing, in this case a bicycle made by craftmen on these shores.
My definition of exotic is not per se
about a brand, brands aren't in themselves exotic. Exotic for me is something intrinsic in the thing, the bicycle frame in this case would be built to the highest standards with the best for the purpose components (lugs, tubeset etc).
I do not consider myself a collector, the majority of my bikes have either a direct or indirect connection with me - the two Raleighs bought new, the 1978 Mistral bought new, the 1951 Hobbs bought new, the 1947 Hetchins bought new, the 1967 Geoffrey Butler bought new...I won't go on, but that said I am not old enough to have bought the 40s and 50s or 60s bikes new!
Some I have collected, but because of a certain"connection".
Interesting stuff Cdm.
Founder of The Last Bastion Society and owner of - 1986 Raleigh SBDU Pro Super(from new). 1984 Raleigh LU Corsa(from new), 1984 Raleigh LU Record Ace, 1983 Gitane Super Corsa(Laurent Fignon tribute), 1982 Holdsworth Classic 531sl, 1980 Allin Stan Butler Special, 1967 Holdsworth Mistral, 1964 Allin SBS"Belgique", 1955 Macleans Club No1, 1952 Hobbs of Barbican Windermere(Wife's), 1952 Hobbs of Barbican Clubweight, 1947 Hetchins Super Special. MTB's - 1988 Specialized Stumpjumper(Chas Roberts repaint), 1988 Muddy Fox Courier(Wife's).