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 Post subject: 1992 Cannondale M500
PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:27 pm 
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Now then, this frame was owned by benandemu in the mid 90s and was part exchanged for a Marin Ti between Ben and an old school friend of mine.

This weekend during a visit back to my roots in Derbyshire I met with this very school friend and asked if his dad was still riding the Cannondale to work. he said not and he had the bike in his shed, and then added take it if you want Iam not going to do anything with it :shock:

of course I took the bike and also the plated '94 Diamondback Axis which was also on offer for Karma

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Right to start the build I need to ID the frame and get the year right to ensure correct groupset choice

So far we have a serial number 51811911785

This indicates a November 1991 frame, and probably a 1992 model year.

Second we have a double bridge on the seat stays for the force 40 brake device, no welded in seat post clamp, and a 1" head tube.

from my catalogue research the seatpost clamp became a seperate unit in 1993


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The next piece of information is the colour of the frame. We have traces of metalic green which is either a trace of base coat for one of the dark greens available, or the primary colour.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:49 pm 
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That Axis is in a sorry state... please save it!


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BG wrote:
That Axis is in a sorry state... please save it!


Don't worry it will be and will get it's own thread


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From memory that frames are identical (excl BotE) the number just refers to it's component level.
So if you go for a catalogue spec give it that number, if you're not give it any old M number.
Of course it could be BotE put wheels on it and a side shot and someone'll tell you.
Not sure if the lower ends had F40 bridges or not and no idea if they had modified the frame for a band on after a while in 1992.

Good luck and get the other one built first.


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FluffyChicken wrote:
From memory that frames are identical (excl BotE) the number just refers to it's component level.
So if you go for a catalogue spec give it that number, if you're not give it any old M number.


That's quite right, by the looks of it is is a 1993 Series 3.0 'Aloomin-um' frame. Check out specs here:
http://sanaandterry.com/cannondale/year/1993/1993.pdf


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I just edited above while I wake up this morning.

I'm sure I've seen 1992 with band clamps on, ah yes I know where I've seen that.. our riding with me
http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85763

Need to get him to check the serial number though.

(vintage'dale has all the cats but not sure they're all English)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:50 am 
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FluffyChicken wrote:
I just edited above while I wake up this morning.

I'm sure I've seen 1992 with band clamps on, ah yes I know where I've seen that.. our riding with me
http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85763

Need to get him to check the serial number though.

(vintage'dale has all the cats but not sure they're all English)


Thanks for the info, it does look like the 1992 one pictured has a larger that 1" steerer though? I will have to ask.

Looking at the angle the the seat stays hit the seat tube I would say it prob isn't a Beast, I will check with the wheels on to be sure.


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Stick Legs wrote:
FluffyChicken wrote:
From memory that frames are identical (excl BotE) the number just refers to it's component level.
So if you go for a catalogue spec give it that number, if you're not give it any old M number.


That's quite right, by the looks of it is is a 1993 Series 3.0 'Aloomin-um' frame. Check out specs here:
http://sanaandterry.com/cannondale/year/1993/1993.pdf


That was my thought but the serial number says it's a Nov 91 and it has a 1" headset, not the 1.25 which came on the 93s.


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FluffyChicken wrote:
Good luck and get the other one built first.


I assume you mean the Axis, it will be built at the same time, just need to decide the groups for both

I have full 93 black LX which would look good on the Cannondale I think.

Axis M737 or Suntour? we'll have to see.


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My 92 M1000 has 1.25" steerer if that helps, cant check the serial no till the weekend though.


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That was my thought but the serial number says it's a Nov 91 and it has a 1" headset, not the 1.25 which came on the 93s.

The M500 in the 1993 catalogue has a 1" steerer.

Going by the catalogues, '93 is the only year with that style of dropout and a separate seat clamp. That's contradicted by your serial number.

It's possible that the separate seat clamp was a running change in the '92 model year: the '92 catalogue would show welded clamps, but bikes reaching the public might have separate clamps. Stranger things have happened.


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Just got hold of a '93 model M700 frame with a build date of December '92.

http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewto ... light=m700

1 1/4" steerer and no built in seat clamp. Period LX or XT would be just right I think 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:29 pm 
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I think it is most likely an early 92 with an unexplainable seat clamp due to the head tube dia. I have been told the frame had m735 XT in the late 90s, but this may not have been original.

As you see the frame is not the m800 BotE model, and the Pace forks need plenty of work.

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The colour seems to be close to the one on the m800 1991

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:56 pm 
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I like this frame and fork,
let's wait your job on it.


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