Still can't get my head around people not really getting the concept of these votes - whether the concept is daft, puerile, or decidedly uncool in iteslf, or not...
This isn't a vote on whether something is good. It's not whether things are objectively sound. In fact, the opposite can be solid contributory reasons why things are cool - Campag MTB groupsets are a great example.
An example where the outcome was clearly wrong, though, and salient where Shimano are being discussed was when the poll went so wrong on Biopace - clearly they were cool, partly because it wasn't very good.
It's not a vote on whether you like something. It's not a vote on whether something was any good.
It's a vote on whether something is cool.
So... Tyler Durden - cool; Steve McQueen and his baseball and glove in the "cooler" - cool; Mulder singing the theme to Shaft in the X-Files (episode 12, season 5, "Bad Blood") - cool; me knowing what episode Mulder sung Shaft - decidedly uncool.
That's how it works. No ifs, no buts - it just is.
The moment you have to rationalise it, give it some measure, some rationale, it's gone beyond the domain of being "cool".
When I see people arguing about whether some aspect is "good", whether something worked well, or was a good design, I know the aren't really getting it. What you're looking for is a "GOODWALL" - then you can vote to your heart's content on things that are good, bad, and indifferent.
Soooo.... Shimano as a whole is uncool - sorry, just is. That's life.
Perhaps there's individual bits and bobs that escape that verdict, but the sum of the parts (so to speak): uncool.
FACT.
Next.
I'm sure it's made of Prestige.
