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Cristian-T
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shedfire":24hy3jzg said:
The forks were awesome. I remember fondly, glancing down & wittnessing the "twang"
I wonder what Andy Thompsons doing today ?I guess, for similar reasons to wearing hideous coloured lycra, i ruined it with the 150stem. !
The fork design has inspired me recently, leaving a cool idea i have been bouncing about for abit
one-eyed_jim
Old School Grand Master
I don't think that's quite right. There is a gyroscopic component, and it does increase with speed, but it's not the most important factor.Anthony":1t3k9q9s said:
A cyclist in motion is constantly falling to one side or the other, and steering to correct his fall. It's this steering that keeps the bike upright.
From the cyclist's point of view, steering in a curve of radius r generates a centrifugal force* of magnitude mv²/r.
That means that the steering input required to correct a given lean decreases rapidly as v increases.
On the other hand, as v drops towards zero, the steering input required to correct that same lean increases rapidly until the steering angle required becomes too great, or r is less than the wheelbase of the bike.
It's as that point approaches that we have to come up with new strategies to balance, either shifting our weight around on the bike, or shifting the bike around underneath us.
* http://tinyurl.com/24rxbro
paulwakinshaw
Retro Guru
Quite a good read this has turned out to be, it has passed my evening here in Hong Kong rather quickly!
I can from my quite limited experience see both sides of the coin. This guy is...
A: Making a living (on the right side of the PAYE rules I hope)
B: Trying to cash in on the retro scene (to an extent)
C: Offering a product you cant just pick up at any Halfrauds
and
D: Getting some sort of "buy in" from those involved in the scene some 25+ years ago.
It might not suit all tastes here, but it seems to be balanced, it won't suit all of us, but then what will...??
Wako.
I can from my quite limited experience see both sides of the coin. This guy is...
A: Making a living (on the right side of the PAYE rules I hope)
B: Trying to cash in on the retro scene (to an extent)
C: Offering a product you cant just pick up at any Halfrauds
and
D: Getting some sort of "buy in" from those involved in the scene some 25+ years ago.
It might not suit all tastes here, but it seems to be balanced, it won't suit all of us, but then what will...??
Wako.
Wako ~
I presume you're talking about me? If so, it's interesting that you have come to those conclusions, so, I'll put the record straight, especially for you... personally (but anyone can read this if they want).
A: The Cleland project is entirely government sponsored; I am doing it on welfare benefits and a lot of hard work. If you think I'm a sponger, the government receives in excess of £35,000 every year from a product I designed, but for which I received no payment.
B: Read more carefully the Cleland website (www.clelandcycles.wordpress.com) and you'll then understand that the AventuraTT is an entirely up-to-date concept in terms of its componentry, and has no retro elements in the design, other than those which are co-incidental; for example, is a Brooks saddle retro?
C: You will probably never get a Cleland from Halfords, but who knows? In the future you may be able to get a Cleland look-alike! Halfords sell the product mentioned above. It's sold elsewhere, too.
D: You may well be quite right there. It tends to be more mature (physically and mentally) riders who appreciate the benefits and subtle elements of the Aventura design.
It is not intended to suit all tastes, by any means, but it does serve to question many preconceived notions about off-road bicycle design; challenging prejudices regarding componentry. However, more to the point, it provides a choice in design which doesn't currently exist.
I presume you're talking about me? If so, it's interesting that you have come to those conclusions, so, I'll put the record straight, especially for you... personally (but anyone can read this if they want).
A: The Cleland project is entirely government sponsored; I am doing it on welfare benefits and a lot of hard work. If you think I'm a sponger, the government receives in excess of £35,000 every year from a product I designed, but for which I received no payment.
B: Read more carefully the Cleland website (www.clelandcycles.wordpress.com) and you'll then understand that the AventuraTT is an entirely up-to-date concept in terms of its componentry, and has no retro elements in the design, other than those which are co-incidental; for example, is a Brooks saddle retro?
C: You will probably never get a Cleland from Halfords, but who knows? In the future you may be able to get a Cleland look-alike! Halfords sell the product mentioned above. It's sold elsewhere, too.
D: You may well be quite right there. It tends to be more mature (physically and mentally) riders who appreciate the benefits and subtle elements of the Aventura design.
It is not intended to suit all tastes, by any means, but it does serve to question many preconceived notions about off-road bicycle design; challenging prejudices regarding componentry. However, more to the point, it provides a choice in design which doesn't currently exist.
highlandsflyer
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Reading back through this thread I think perhaps there is a market for the Cleland design based on its use in the urban environment.
The ease of lifting the front wheel makes light work of mounting kerbs, and would tend to prevent unseen obstacles such as potholes resulting in an 'off'.
A large volume rear tyre combined with some form of rear suspension to absorb the forces without the need to lift one's ass from the saddle would appeal to the lazy amongst us.
The possibilities for comfortable/clean commuting make it very attractive to me, yet also able to take on the hills should you feel inclined. (Boom, boom.)
The Town & Country bike.
More Range Rover than Land Rover.
Large volume panniers/basket to carry decent amounts would make it an unbeatable urban utility vehicle.
And, by God!, it is British! (Regardless of where the component parts may originate.)
I think it would appeal to a lot of people as an alternative to the current crop of city/commuter/cruiser bikes.
It is great to see something like this moving out of history into the present.
The ease of lifting the front wheel makes light work of mounting kerbs, and would tend to prevent unseen obstacles such as potholes resulting in an 'off'.
A large volume rear tyre combined with some form of rear suspension to absorb the forces without the need to lift one's ass from the saddle would appeal to the lazy amongst us.
The possibilities for comfortable/clean commuting make it very attractive to me, yet also able to take on the hills should you feel inclined. (Boom, boom.)
The Town & Country bike.
More Range Rover than Land Rover.
Large volume panniers/basket to carry decent amounts would make it an unbeatable urban utility vehicle.
And, by God!, it is British! (Regardless of where the component parts may originate.)
I think it would appeal to a lot of people as an alternative to the current crop of city/commuter/cruiser bikes.
It is great to see something like this moving out of history into the present.
Spot ON!
I use my TT for the shops as well. I don't carry large loads, just a couple of 'front' panniers on a small seat-pin-mounted rear carrier. With careful packing, these are also sufficient for a long weekend at a B+B or hotel.
With the tyres pumped-up hard, it spins along, and the riding posture, combined with a high centre of gravity, allows for quick changes in direction, sometimes around moving cars which don't always do what you expect, or a sudden decision to mount the kerb to get round a jam, and things like that.
Rear suspension comes in the guise of a spring saddle AND a sprung seatpost. However, with ANY form of suspension, it is wise to ride your bike dynamically and not just plonk yourself on it like a sack of potatoes.
The Aventura concept has always been an all-rounder, hence lights etc, with the principal bias toward off-road performance, but still a capable urbanite. I daresay some purchasers may want that bias the other way round, and adapt their Aventuras accordingly.
The Range Rover vs Land Rover debate continues!
All British, yes, but with a significant nod in the direction of The Netherlands...
I use my TT for the shops as well. I don't carry large loads, just a couple of 'front' panniers on a small seat-pin-mounted rear carrier. With careful packing, these are also sufficient for a long weekend at a B+B or hotel.
With the tyres pumped-up hard, it spins along, and the riding posture, combined with a high centre of gravity, allows for quick changes in direction, sometimes around moving cars which don't always do what you expect, or a sudden decision to mount the kerb to get round a jam, and things like that.
Rear suspension comes in the guise of a spring saddle AND a sprung seatpost. However, with ANY form of suspension, it is wise to ride your bike dynamically and not just plonk yourself on it like a sack of potatoes.
The Aventura concept has always been an all-rounder, hence lights etc, with the principal bias toward off-road performance, but still a capable urbanite. I daresay some purchasers may want that bias the other way round, and adapt their Aventuras accordingly.
The Range Rover vs Land Rover debate continues!
All British, yes, but with a significant nod in the direction of The Netherlands...
paulwakinshaw
Retro Guru
No Geoff,
I was talking about the guy in the video on whom the thread was started.
Wako
I was talking about the guy in the video on whom the thread was started.
Wako
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