November 2010 rBoTM - Nominations please

Spokesmann":15k308jk said:
Ill choose to ignore your utterly offensive remarks.

What you fail to grasp is that this is how Carlton bikes were in the mid 1970s. This bike is literally untouched, save for new tyres and a damn good clean. This is a reto bike, this is a retro forum.

It is not about self-centred, ingrained and arrogant snobs such as your self having a pop due to the fact the bike is not an 'Italian thoroughbred' or the like.

People like to you with the self righteous attitude just sicken me.

Rant over.

I thank you for not ignoring my comment and responding. I am well aware of the fact that the bike is close to original in every way, has an interesting aesthetic value and is in good knick. I see the same thing, in the Gios as well as others. So all things being equal in this way, what is the next criterion upon which a differentiation was made? Was there something unique, trail-blazing or special? Was this bike in some way especially appealing in the day? This is precisely where I get hung up. Perhaps I missed a photo of the bike in "before" state that would have made me marvel at the transformation that was made to arrive at the present state. Please help me understand.

The vote numbers obviously show that your bike is in some way special that escapes me. This is precisely why I have asked for education.

I personally look at older bikes/cars/watches or whatever as educational, the building blocks upon which their modern equivalents have been built, and the zeitgeist of their time or era. They do not need, by any means, to be thoroughbreds or expensive. As proof of this, you might be surprised to know that I completely restored a 1954 Fiat 500C "Topolino", the absolute lowest rung of the Italian car world. It is not high end, luxurious, sporting or exclusive. I likewise own and am extremely proud of a number of rather mundane but important bikes such as a Graziella folding bike and an Itera plastic bike. None of these could ever be mistaken as thoroughbreds or economically valuable, but they are significant and educational nonetheless. I have displayed them on equal footing with far more "prestigious" items and have often stood by them in person, at expos, to explain their historical relevance.
 
Spokesmann":2nvw7eb7 said:
ome more pics of my Criteriums and other here:

http://spokessmann.tripod.com/id11.html

For them that likes them... ;)

Seeing the Criterium as part of your overall collection gives it relevance and importance that is absent when it stands alone. Perhaps this exchange will be the spur that is needed to bring about the opportunity for one future month to be set aside for "themed" collections. I can only imagine what type of collections might be presented. One could present a marque, a country, a production year, a style of bike... Could be quite fascinating! Especially if everybody had to explain the logic and significance of their collection, just as you have done on the linked site.
 
Citoyen du monde":8u9h5vr5 said:
Spokesmann":8u9h5vr5 said:
Ill choose to ignore your utterly offensive remarks.

What you fail to grasp is that this is how Carlton bikes were in the mid 1970s. This bike is literally untouched, save for new tyres and a damn good clean. This is a reto bike, this is a retro forum.

It is not about self-centred, ingrained and arrogant snobs such as your self having a pop due to the fact the bike is not an 'Italian thoroughbred' or the like.

People like to you with the self righteous attitude just sicken me.

Rant over.

I thank you for not ignoring my comment and responding. I am well aware of the fact that the bike is close to original in every way, has an interesting aesthetic value and is in good knick. I see the same thing, in the Gios as well as others. So all things being equal in this way, what is the next criterion upon which a differentiation was made? Was there something unique, trail-blazing or special? Was this bike in some way especially appealing in the day? This is precisely where I get hung up. Perhaps I missed a photo of the bike in "before" state that would have made me marvel at the transformation that was made to arrive at the present state. Please help me understand.

The vote numbers obviously show that your bike is in some way special that escapes me. This is precisely why I have asked for education.

I personally look at older bikes/cars/watches or whatever as educational, the building blocks upon which their modern equivalents have been built, and the zeitgeist of their time or era. They do not need, by any means, to be thoroughbreds or expensive. As proof of this, you might be surprised to know that I completely restored a 1954 Fiat 500C "Topolino", the absolute lowest rung of the Italian car world. It is not high end, luxurious, sporting or exclusive. I likewise own and am extremely proud of a number of rather mundane but important bikes such as a Graziella folding bike and an Itera plastic bike. None of these could ever be mistaken as thoroughbreds or economically valuable, but they are significant and educational nonetheless. I have displayed them on equal footing with far more "prestigious" items and have often stood by them in person, at expos, to explain their historical relevance.

Zzzzzz.
 
I like the second criterium more...there seems to be a different charm and I can't put my finger on it.

Do you own the pro am in the back ground... that is a nice bike as well
 
toomski":3p417zr9 said:
I like the second criterium more...there seems to be a different charm and I can't put my finger on it.

Do you own the pro am in the back ground... that is a nice bike as well

I do, the Pro Am is going to go up for sale.
 
Im a short ass and that looks too big for me.... which is a good thing in this instance... :LOL:

lets see some pics though.

Toomski
 
toomski":3daeitqp said:
Im a short ass and that looks too big for me.... which is a good thing in this instance... :LOL:

lets see some pics though.

Toomski

Currently in bits. It has a 25" frame.
 
toomski":woc8203z said:
I like the second criterium more...there seems to be a different charm and I can't put my finger on it.

Do you own the pro am in the back ground... that is a nice bike as well

QR large flange hubs?
 
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