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Neil":pvzn496v said:
Klein definitely had mid-range bikes, like the Fervor and Rascal...there's no way those could be called high-end.
BoTM Novemember 09 Nominations - Mid Range Special
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Klein definitely had mid-range bikes, like the Fervor and Rascal...there's no way those could be called high-end.
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Neil":131d39qy said:
bikepedia is not the most accurate site, but it was an easy find:
http://www.bikepedia.com/QuickBike/Bike ... &Type=bike
all LX for around $1200...definitely mid-range, especially when compared to upper Kleins.
imo, any mfg that made bikes retailing at more than $3000, would have to call their $1500 bikes mid-level. A $3000 bike would be mid-level when compared to a $6000 bike. Anything under $1000 should be considered entry-level. Alivio is not mid-level. stx rc and deore LX is mid-level, even if the frame is can be found with a more high-end build.
shouldnt this debate be going on here http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=77625
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Khane":28si7zfo said:
true, but I hate being redundant...most of the time
any further comments will be posted t the other thread
eastcoaststeve
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Ok, here's the story behind my entry this month...
I picked it up ridiculously cheap quite a while back with the intent to swap the nice tight bottom bracket bearings out to another Klein that fits me well but has a ,(loose as Madonnas knickers), set in it now. Then I'd part out the frame to a tall, wealthy German...make a few bucks, and keep the LX stuff for my parts stash.
After an initial wipe down, (it was covered in years of dust, grease, and cobwebs), I just didn't have the heart to strip out the bearing, so....
Plan B: I decided to build it up as a road bike, as the frame size would be more appropriate for me that way. Unfortunately, a few other projects popped up that grabbed my attention, and the Klein got hung in the rafters.
Fast forward to a few days ago...I see the BOTM is going to be an LX-style contest, and I think I'll enter my LTS-2 and go out in the garage to give it a once over. As I'm walking back in I look up and see the Klein and I forget all about the GT...I realize it needs a MAJOR clean up before I can think of submitting it, and I know I'm working the next six days in a row, so I decide it will get my attention each night before bed, (kind of a nice way to end my long days).
After a full can of WD-40, a whole box of rags, 1/2 a can of contact cleaner, a stack of scotchbrite, a handfull of q-tips, and a years supply of busted knuckles and cramped fingers, it came out looking pretty darn nice.
I hope you all enjoy looking at it as much as I did bringing it bake to life.
I've added a bunch of detail shots of the components to my original post just to assure you guys this was really an LX-spec'd bike, (not looking for controversy, just to have a bit of fun and share a cool old bike with people who appreciate them as I do).
Thanks for the opportunity to share my passion,
Steve
I picked it up ridiculously cheap quite a while back with the intent to swap the nice tight bottom bracket bearings out to another Klein that fits me well but has a ,(loose as Madonnas knickers), set in it now. Then I'd part out the frame to a tall, wealthy German...make a few bucks, and keep the LX stuff for my parts stash.
After an initial wipe down, (it was covered in years of dust, grease, and cobwebs), I just didn't have the heart to strip out the bearing, so....
Plan B: I decided to build it up as a road bike, as the frame size would be more appropriate for me that way. Unfortunately, a few other projects popped up that grabbed my attention, and the Klein got hung in the rafters.
Fast forward to a few days ago...I see the BOTM is going to be an LX-style contest, and I think I'll enter my LTS-2 and go out in the garage to give it a once over. As I'm walking back in I look up and see the Klein and I forget all about the GT...I realize it needs a MAJOR clean up before I can think of submitting it, and I know I'm working the next six days in a row, so I decide it will get my attention each night before bed, (kind of a nice way to end my long days).
After a full can of WD-40, a whole box of rags, 1/2 a can of contact cleaner, a stack of scotchbrite, a handfull of q-tips, and a years supply of busted knuckles and cramped fingers, it came out looking pretty darn nice.
I hope you all enjoy looking at it as much as I did bringing it bake to life.
I've added a bunch of detail shots of the components to my original post just to assure you guys this was really an LX-spec'd bike, (not looking for controversy, just to have a bit of fun and share a cool old bike with people who appreciate them as I do).
Thanks for the opportunity to share my passion,
Steve
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eastcoaststeve":38dhywr3 said:
good stuff, Steve
The only issue I see with it, under the rules for this month, would be the Flite saddle...it's a bit high-end.
btw, that is a good way to end the day.
Maybe mid-range for a Klein, but most definitely not a mid-range bike compared to the entire range of MTBs.GoldenEraMTB":15327619 said:
Boutique bikes are not mid range. Klein bikes are not mid-range - there's no sense arguing with that, I've ruled and it stands, no take backs...
Over the years, I've read countless group tests of mid-range bikes - and a Klein never featured in any that I can recall.
Entry level MTBs were considered to start around the £300 mark. Anything approaching £1000 was high-end (whether or not you could spend thousands on MTBs, the masses didn't).
So mid range was clearly about the £500 mark - perhaps going up to £700 tops.
As I've said before, bike mags never struggled to categorise bikes as mid-range when testing bikes together, so neither should we - and it wasn't higher-end exotica, dressed-down - it was mid-range in most of the production bike line-ups. Which was typically around 500-600 pounds.
Trying to place boutique bikes at the bottom of their particular range, as general mid-range bikes, is most certainly detracting from the spirit of what a mid-range BOTM should be about, IMNSHO.
mrkawasaki
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Here's my newly assembled 09 winter hack - sure to be thrown out by the Exage fascists ;-) - however, it's collated from my parts bins, hence is in the spirit of Retrobike 'mid range' as far as I'm concerned ie. would not normally make a regular BoTM (if there is such a thing)!
Frame courtesy of Ed Orange, a weird mix of bi-ovalised and shaped Italian tubing with some fillet-o-fish thhrown in for good measure. Looking to throw on a rigid bladed fork at some point.
All DX gruppo BTW.
Mr K
EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread to find that DX is out. Will there be an 'upper middle range BoTM' coming soon for the chattering classes??! ;-)
Here's my newly assembled 09 winter hack - sure to be thrown out by the Exage fascists ;-) - however, it's collated from my parts bins, hence is in the spirit of Retrobike 'mid range' as far as I'm concerned ie. would not normally make a regular BoTM (if there is such a thing)!
Frame courtesy of Ed Orange, a weird mix of bi-ovalised and shaped Italian tubing with some fillet-o-fish thhrown in for good measure. Looking to throw on a rigid bladed fork at some point.
All DX gruppo BTW.
Mr K
EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread to find that DX is out. Will there be an 'upper middle range BoTM' coming soon for the chattering classes??! ;-)
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not an entry, just a pic of one I made earlier:
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