In about 15 years. Also the first time since XT v-brakes came out I've used canti brakes. On my new M-Trax. Was an experience. Bars are too narrow. The brakes are scary compared to the discs I'm used to. There's an odd creak from the cranks when pedaling that stops when I put the power down. The position is a little short. But I love it. Original saddle, original brake pads and even tyres are fine too.