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Chopper1192":gx2aita6 said:
Sensitive to servicing - yes, shifting performance will degrade through lack of serving, but it takes some mileage. However, once they have been allowed to get that far they need a specialist overhaul - I'm Cytec qualified and have an MSc in a field of physics, and there ain't no way I'd consider a full strip, though a basic oil-bath service is within the scope of many riders
Shifting performance gets better when they wear in, sevice once a year with changing the oil bath (I know of people riding their hub without doing this for over 4 years) and maybe chaning the shifting cables.

Chopper1192":gx2aita6 said:
And yes, I've had one fail on me terminally, believed by the repairing agent because a 116kg powerlifter wad managing to put too much torque though it in the lower gears - the internals had simply churned into a metallic mush. They do recommend a max rear sprocket size to prevent torque damage, but being quite weighty and being able to squat over 3 times my own weight it seems I managed to exceed even the official safe limit. yes, working in an area of the trade as I do its not the only failure I've come across, although you'll never encounter many because only a tiny proportion of bikes have them.

When you "under gear" your Rohloff or can produce more power than 2 Chipolini's in full sprint together the plastic guiding washers will break as a back-up safety. I've never seen this happen though.

Chopper1192":gx2aita6 said:
Indestructible and everlasting they are not. Probably tougher, within limits, than the typical derailleur, but when your mech goes south you'll be sorting it on your kitchen table, possible fire cost if only cleaner and lube - unless you're Adam Steltzner you ain't gonna be fixing a Rohloff in the kitchen, and if it's busted isn't gonna cone back with a strip and clean.

Agree, nothing mechanicly is indestructable, but the ods of a Rohloff failing on you is so small I would travel the world with it without spares.

Chopper1192":gx2aita6 said:
PS, when will people stop quoting Sheldon? Nice albeit I'm sure, but reports are that his trousers went on one leg at a time each morning, same as everyone else's.

as you would have read it you would know it was written by Andy Blance not by SB ;)
 
Chopper1192":30bny446 said:
Can't have a lubrication failure? Utter rubbish.

Even if not a drop leaks out you can still suffer a lubrication failure. Go read up on 'shear'.

Sorry to proof you wrong, they're designed to run on the oil that sticks to the system, but tell me, if you'd won the lotto, would you buy one to try yourself before making claims ..... guess not :roll:
 
This has been done before, but I am game.

It is only a matter of time before the SS brigade jump in and argue neither system is ideal, and we all should discard gearing completely. ;)

Purely based on logic, I would agree the ideal is to conceal any part of the cycle that might become inefficient due to the conditions.

Preferably an entirely sealed system, from the front to the back.

Hub gears and bottom bracket internal gears seem to be the way forward, retaining chain drive for its efficiency.

It is a question of materials and design changes to make things lighter. I am sure that we shall see huge improvements in this area soon.

Meanwhile classic dérailleur systems offer a lightweight alternative to what are still heavy and expensive systems.

I haven't heard of Rohloff being unreliable; in fact quite the opposite. I wouldn't consider one for an extended touring bike though, as the only problems I have ever had with dérailleurs have been easily amended on the road, and carrying complete spares is a matter of a few hundred grams. My interest in sealed systems is for true off road riding, that is where the advantages should shine through. That, and town bikes/cruisers where ease of use and convenience of low maintenance come into play. The price must come down though.

I don't see the tandem evolution of dérailleurs as illogical, for the foreseeable future they are the sensible alternative for most of us.

One other thing. I just don't want my bike, especially touring, to have such an obvious expensive item on it.

Insurance sorts out a new bike. I have other bikes though, I just don't want to be inconvenienced and anything that adds to the desirability for a thief is out for me.

Besides, scratched up old XT or XTR is light and highly efficient.
 
Chain drive efficient? Only about 98% or so, and that is in ideal conditions. Insufficient lubrication or dirt will quickly reduce that percentage.
IMO the future lies with a combination of internal gearing (bottom bracket based, to reduce unsprung weight) and hydraulic drive.
 
I like my ZEE.

I did try a Rohloff hub for a while a couple of years back. I like my bikes to be as simple as possible (no rear suspension) and ride with a single ring up front. Every bit of me wanted to like the system but I couldn't get on with how the weight was distributed on the bike and the manky gripshift. I don't find any problems with modern derailleur systems - in fact they are getting better and better as far as I can tell.

I've done cross races so muddy that the wheels will hardly turn in the frame - but the derailleur gears carried on working.

I recently saw a bike (think it was Demon Frameworks) where the Rohloff hub had been mounted within the diamond of the frame (just above the bottom bracket) and used as gear box. Incredibly ugly but it seemed to solve the weight distribution issue.

It'll be a long time before I'm tempted back to trying hub gearing.
 
Raging_Bulls":39gsbix2 said:
Chain drive efficient? Only about 98% or so, and that is in ideal conditions. Insufficient lubrication or dirt will quickly reduce that percentage.
IMO the future lies with a combination of internal gearing (bottom bracket based, to reduce unsprung weight) and hydraulic drive.

Yes, chain drives are generally exceptionally efficient. It is possible to enclose them in many cases, minimising drop off due to poor condition.
 
highlandsflyer":3nkmpz3r said:
This has been done before, but I am game.

It is only a matter of time before the SS brigade jump in and argue neither system is ideal, and we all should discard gearing completely. ;)


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So , as well as worrying whether you're in the right gear, you have to worry about whether you have the right gear system?
It amazes me you girls ever get to go outside, these hard choices you have to make , an' all...
 
suburbanreuben":7hk4q67j said:
highlandsflyer":7hk4q67j said:
This has been done before, but I am game.

It is only a matter of time before the SS brigade jump in and argue neither system is ideal, and we all should discard gearing completely. ;)


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So , as well as worrying whether you're in the right gear, you have to worry about whether you have the right gear system?
It amazes me you girls ever get to go outside, these hard choices you have to make , an' all...

Being a girl is great.

Single speeds are for the flatlands.

Boo ha!
 
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