Shimano obviously think that we do.. i agree , anyone who actually builds repairs and works with modern machinery knows that its a faff, indexing on the front , it works on shimano for a time , cable stretch, lack of maintenance, and is a nightmare if like me you don't rate shimano chains or chainsets or rings..i don't race , i don't need 10 sprockets, i love my fit and forget 9 speed pre 2005 campagnolo stuff, i have newer 10 sp campag and have had no issues but it hasn't had 10000 miles on it.. i have only one shimano bike.. its a giant hybrid morphed into a winter 7sp alloy sti levers the ones that don't break easily,fsa chainset, running on 32 tyres.. pic below....TGR calls it my winter winter bike as i have a steel winter cherubim clone.. will