Soooo, Fracking in the UK
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technodup":33nhszz7 said:
And with attiudes like that it's no wonder that the british public get repeatedly shat on by employers, government, banks, health service etc......jesus
'I can't change anything' what a piss poor argument.
Russell":33nhszz7 said:
I could be wrong but I'm don't think salt water can be used because of some sort of bonding thing with the gas.
careful now
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It's your future (and your kids's).
sylus
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salt water is not generally used due to the salt damaging equipment (don't worry about the enviroment or the people near it) it can be used as long as they use salt/saline purification processors which of course adds to the cost and reduces the profit
perhaps this may help..Total, a recognised oil company
and when you have read it, pay particular attention to the uk reference at the bottom of the page
http://www.total.com/en/special-reports ... 01958.html
perhaps this may help..Total, a recognised oil company
and when you have read it, pay particular attention to the uk reference at the bottom of the page
http://www.total.com/en/special-reports ... 01958.html
highlandsflyer
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Frackin' hell!
There are a number of techniques involved, and a number of different mixes used.
Whether they can use sea water or not, currently not favoured, the waste water is toxic and voluminous. It won't all sit in these fractured locations benignly.
I am open minded about it, we need to have some stop gap provision, but I don't think it should be rushed into and the impact on communities should be considered every bit as much as the environmental impact.
Alex SalmonD has made his arguments often enough about Scotland's net contribution to the UK economy for the 'poor beggars from the North' line to be wearing very thin.
Even Westminster's own research has backed up our claims to be contributing every bit as much as we take, in fact more.
People say what will we do when the oil runs out?
Well, many of the 'spent' wells have lots of oil left in them, and when the world begins to run out of oil and the tech has advanced even more of it will be viable to collect.
By then water will be a highly saleable commodity, and along with the wind, tide and oil it is another asset Scotland can look to.
No tree hugger here, but you don't need to be a tree hugger to know some of the same arguments against fracking apply to wind power.
Millions of tons of concrete turbine bases hardly do wonders for the water table.
There are a number of techniques involved, and a number of different mixes used.
Whether they can use sea water or not, currently not favoured, the waste water is toxic and voluminous. It won't all sit in these fractured locations benignly.
I am open minded about it, we need to have some stop gap provision, but I don't think it should be rushed into and the impact on communities should be considered every bit as much as the environmental impact.
Alex SalmonD has made his arguments often enough about Scotland's net contribution to the UK economy for the 'poor beggars from the North' line to be wearing very thin.
Even Westminster's own research has backed up our claims to be contributing every bit as much as we take, in fact more.
People say what will we do when the oil runs out?
Well, many of the 'spent' wells have lots of oil left in them, and when the world begins to run out of oil and the tech has advanced even more of it will be viable to collect.
By then water will be a highly saleable commodity, and along with the wind, tide and oil it is another asset Scotland can look to.
No tree hugger here, but you don't need to be a tree hugger to know some of the same arguments against fracking apply to wind power.
Millions of tons of concrete turbine bases hardly do wonders for the water table.
technodup
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Not quite what I said but it's about right in this case. It could/will be an election issue in a handful of affected (nimby) seats but other than that... so you can't vote it out, protesting is futile, remember Occupy? How do you propose to affect the decision making process?B77":2mud4xhc said:
Go on then, summon the might of Retrobike's collective moral indignation and stick it to the man. Or just have a grumble on the internet. The result will be the same.
sylus
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as an Aside, the next state up is North Dakota that is in an oil/gas boom at the momment..no sea there
they are using vast amounts of water from the water table. Over the last 3 years the winters have seen the average snow fall from 4 feet down to almost 1. Now that has a huge impact on the underground water supplies..huge
It also year on year has seen the lands so dry in the summer that huge amount of forest fires/land fires. don't understimate a fire out here, when it happens a fire the size of a county in the u.k. is seen as not unusual
why is that important? Water out here is as valueable as gas especially in cattle country and it will get to a point where we have a balance to choose
Profit is okay but not when that is the only driver there is as we take more and more out of the planet there will be a cost to pay.
No tree hugger here either in fact tree huggers get on my t*ts..but a realist there is a huge damage possible here
as another by the by..immigration..if the uk suddenly has a boom industry do you think no one from europe will not go to those areas for work or do you think only brits will get jobs there?
We are a "I want it now generation irrelevant of the long term cost because I won't be here" ...and we have taught our kids the same mantra
at some point we will have to look beyond the next 5 minutes
they are using vast amounts of water from the water table. Over the last 3 years the winters have seen the average snow fall from 4 feet down to almost 1. Now that has a huge impact on the underground water supplies..huge
It also year on year has seen the lands so dry in the summer that huge amount of forest fires/land fires. don't understimate a fire out here, when it happens a fire the size of a county in the u.k. is seen as not unusual
why is that important? Water out here is as valueable as gas especially in cattle country and it will get to a point where we have a balance to choose
Profit is okay but not when that is the only driver there is as we take more and more out of the planet there will be a cost to pay.
No tree hugger here either in fact tree huggers get on my t*ts..but a realist there is a huge damage possible here
as another by the by..immigration..if the uk suddenly has a boom industry do you think no one from europe will not go to those areas for work or do you think only brits will get jobs there?
We are a "I want it now generation irrelevant of the long term cost because I won't be here" ...and we have taught our kids the same mantra
at some point we will have to look beyond the next 5 minutes
joe careless
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the thing is this present government has a pee poor record when it comes to gas take this example
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-20660152
right next door is a LNG terminal that burns a percentage of it's imports heating up water, joined up thinking? not at all.
it's the threat to water tables is the most important issue and yes we do make a difference it's called TELL YOUR MP YOUR CONCERNS and EXCERSISE YOUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS
Every time time you drive on a major road built or reserviced/redesigned post 2000 the environment has greater protection such as rain run-off lagoons and drainage to reduce pollution> courtesy of the road protestors of the 90's PROTESTING WORKS
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-20660152
right next door is a LNG terminal that burns a percentage of it's imports heating up water, joined up thinking? not at all.
it's the threat to water tables is the most important issue and yes we do make a difference it's called TELL YOUR MP YOUR CONCERNS and EXCERSISE YOUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS
Every time time you drive on a major road built or reserviced/redesigned post 2000 the environment has greater protection such as rain run-off lagoons and drainage to reduce pollution> courtesy of the road protestors of the 90's PROTESTING WORKS
technodup
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Miner's strike.joe careless":13scpow1 said:
Iraq war.
CJB
Countryside Alliance re foxhunting.
Occupy.
Literally millions took part and all failed in their key objectives. Protesting generally doesn't work. As I remember it the roads protests in the 90s were concerned with stopping roads being built rather than securing better drainage.
The only major protest I can think of 'working' was the Poll Tax. Which only worked in the sense that we now have a different (in my view deeply unfair) way of collecting the same money from people. Maybe I should protest.
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