Who knows. I lent my bike to someone last night and they accidently tore the saddle, so they chucked me £20 afterwards. It was a no brainer which saddle to buy with the £20, black Charge Spoon init!! But then I saw the lime one and it looked kindof neon yellow . Anyway I've bought one now so we'll see when it turns up. 365 days return policy, collect+