highlandsflyer
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Kerplunk":unsyh0cd said:
I understand your point of view, but is it really a counterpoint to mine? Seems it would stand alone rather than as an 'answer' to my post, as it does not really address my points.
Gary McKinnon Extradition
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I understand your point of view, but is it really a counterpoint to mine? Seems it would stand alone rather than as an 'answer' to my post, as it does not really address my points.
yagamuffin
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This as I understand it is their main problem. His hacking was akin to that of 'mobile phone hacking'. Passwords hadn't been changed from defaults or had been set as simple as 'password'. They are embarrassed and are pushing for extradition to cover-up their own failings.
Iwasgoodonce
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When in opposition, didn't Cameron and May say that if they were in power, they wouldn't ever extradite him? They has sort of backed them selves into a corner.
sylus
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Most laws are woefully behind the electronic age and in typical U.S. tradition the goverment thinks it owns the internet. The fact Gary was able to do to them what they have been doing to others for decades just doesn't register with them.
google, apple, microsoft and facebook did not get that big and hold so much personal information on people without goverment assistance and collaberation
Hacking such as Gary did is illegal here in the u.k. and as a British citizen whilst in Britian he should be tried here. It's upto a jury to decide wether it was through personal amusement or malicious intent
We've bent over so many times for the U.S. & European governments that we seem to have forgotten how to do it ourselves
google, apple, microsoft and facebook did not get that big and hold so much personal information on people without goverment assistance and collaberation
Hacking such as Gary did is illegal here in the u.k. and as a British citizen whilst in Britian he should be tried here. It's upto a jury to decide wether it was through personal amusement or malicious intent
We've bent over so many times for the U.S. & European governments that we seem to have forgotten how to do it ourselves
silverclaws
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What he actually did nobody except him and those he offended knows for the media is awash with the usual half truths, lies and wishful thinking, whatever supports their position and their readership.
But I understand the Americans won't say exactly what he did, which could be because they are making a lot of it up and quite possibly they intended him to carry the can for their mess ups or others who hacked the same systems before and after for people should at least have a clue that because one person was caught through his own naivety that is not an indication he was the only one that did it.
I still maintain he knew exactly what he was doing, he knew it was wrong but he did it anyway because he needed the information, his obsession and special interest where if you know aspies they don't give up until they have their answers. In his mind he believed the Americans were hiding information and to his sense of justice that was wrong so he felt he was justified in what he was doing.
Now if he did find information on free energy he believed the Americans were hiding I don't doubt he would have splurged to the world as it is not in many aspies to keep things that benefit others to themselves and it is a fact many aspies that have gone before, those that through their recorded behaviour have been likened to what we know now were humanitarians out to make the word a better place away from those that wish to profit for themselves.
But I understand the Americans won't say exactly what he did, which could be because they are making a lot of it up and quite possibly they intended him to carry the can for their mess ups or others who hacked the same systems before and after for people should at least have a clue that because one person was caught through his own naivety that is not an indication he was the only one that did it.
I still maintain he knew exactly what he was doing, he knew it was wrong but he did it anyway because he needed the information, his obsession and special interest where if you know aspies they don't give up until they have their answers. In his mind he believed the Americans were hiding information and to his sense of justice that was wrong so he felt he was justified in what he was doing.
Now if he did find information on free energy he believed the Americans were hiding I don't doubt he would have splurged to the world as it is not in many aspies to keep things that benefit others to themselves and it is a fact many aspies that have gone before, those that through their recorded behaviour have been likened to what we know now were humanitarians out to make the word a better place away from those that wish to profit for themselves.
yagamuffin
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Still not sure why this has all taken so long though.
A foreign Government accused a British subject of committing a crime on British soil. Our Police/CPS should have investigated and decided whether there was a case to answer in this country. He should then have either been arrested, charged and tried or not. Once our justice system had reached it's natural conclusion then we could have decided whether he should be extradited or not.
To seemingly have a default position of accepting all extradition requests from the US is crazy.
A foreign Government accused a British subject of committing a crime on British soil. Our Police/CPS should have investigated and decided whether there was a case to answer in this country. He should then have either been arrested, charged and tried or not. Once our justice system had reached it's natural conclusion then we could have decided whether he should be extradited or not.
To seemingly have a default position of accepting all extradition requests from the US is crazy.
highlandsflyer
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The lad has been through ten years of hell.
My heart goes out to him and his loved ones.
It doesn't really bleed for the self styled world's policemen who consider their jurisdiction unbounded.
Whatever he did, it clearly was not a terrorist act.
My heart goes out to him and his loved ones.
It doesn't really bleed for the self styled world's policemen who consider their jurisdiction unbounded.
Whatever he did, it clearly was not a terrorist act.
silverclaws
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I highly suspect as far as British justice was concerned this was a non case, in fact a pathetic request and so they dithered and asked the president is he serious on this issue to which Obama replied he would respect the British decision and so that should have been an end to the matter. But the gravy train was rolling and people were making money one cannot deprive the justice system of making money now can we bearing in mind that is what the justice system is for and it is by no coincidence the legislators that are in government are from same trade, some could say they legislate to make themselves wealthy but that is too cynical isn't it.
It would be interesting to discover how much money is made by the legal profession every year in cases such as extradition and how much the public purse is being hammered.
As to this one sided agreement hey it brings cases to be mulled over and in mulling, money is being made, people are being paid, it is an industry.
It would be interesting to discover how much money is made by the legal profession every year in cases such as extradition and how much the public purse is being hammered.
As to this one sided agreement hey it brings cases to be mulled over and in mulling, money is being made, people are being paid, it is an industry.
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