British Steel

sinnerman":2lwr5crj said:

I thought the same Mike, but hesitated in using the word "prototype" just in case i got hammered for it.

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feetabix said:

Carl......thankfully we have you involved with our site!...longlive the good old fashioned geek!.....




Stands proudly for national anthem..... [/quote


Sorry Fellas....

Always had an interest in steel, and in Particular British frame builders, i didnt intend for the posts to seem geeky, just always felt the British bikes were always a little less coveted than they ought to be, considering what thought and effort went into them.

With all this said and done, not every one is aware of the efforts made by our English frame builders, in a market naturally dominated by America for obvious reasons.

And for whats its worth, i dont see any reason why NevadaSmiths british frames, should be percieved as anything less than on par with its American counter parts.

My example being Keith Bontragers Off road, and Ross Shafer"s Ala Carte....., both high end handbuilt frames, (this example being the closest comparison i could think of), with similar retail price points.

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Rod_Saetan":21zyff7c said:

In a general build quality desirability way they are on a parr, but the reason the Salsa and the Bontrager specifically are so revered and have continued to be highly desirable are because they set a precedent and dictated frame design. The Salsa's use of 71/73 geo was the benchmark for almost all frames from 89> I stopped paying attention and Keith's single-minded philosophy of getting the most out of a frame, a material, and a rider are why many people (myself included) consider the Race/Lite to be the best riding frame ever.

Thats not to say that the British builders didn't impress on history, or do anything to advance frame/bike design, but they were on the whole established road frame builders, borrowing other peoples geometry ideas and working to catch up with their US counterparts.

Im lucky enough to have a few American classics and a few British ones, and to my eye the craftsmanship (for that is the most relevant word when regarding these frames) of the Roberts and Lloyd exceeds that of the Salsa or Bontrager.

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sinnerman":g5vwun6f said:

feetabix":g5vwun6f said:

Carl......thankfully we have you involved with our site!...longlive the good old fashioned geek!.....




Stands proudly for national anthem..... [/quote


Sorry Fellas....

Always had an interest in steel, and in Particular British frame builders, i didnt intend for the posts to seem geeky, just always felt the British bikes were always a little less coveted than they ought to be, considering what thought and effort went into them.

With all this said and done, not every one is aware of the efforts made by our English frame builders, in a market naturally dominated by America for obvious reasons.

And for whats its worth, i dont see any reason why NevadaSmiths british frames, should be percieved as anything less than on par with its American counter parts.

My example being Keith Bontragers Off road, and Ross Shafer"s Ala Carte....., both high end handbuilt frames, (this example being the closest comparison i could think of), with similar retail price points.

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Rod_Saetan":19c92kqu said:

to my eye the craftsmanship (for that is the most relevant word when regarding these frames) of the Roberts and Lloyd exceeds that of the Salsa or Bontrager.

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