I've been looking at the saint and hone stuff quite a bit lately ( bugger , this meaNs the ebay values will now increase ) the way i see it is saint is lx/xt equivalent but tough , made for the really gnarly riding so is burly and weighs more . The saint flavour of hollowtec 2 for instance is the same as lx except the spider is thicker , it has steel pedal inserts and a steel axle . The bearings have a wider threaded section . Id like to get hold of some saint cranks but they seem to go for about £60 .
Im particularly drawn to the subtle eightiesesque dystopian style they have . You can picture it in a 2020 Akira/Blade Runner type cycling film as a groupset that shimano thought would be futuristic but in doing so has that retro future aesthetic .
It wasnt a popular group as it wasnt very cheap and it was quite weighty so most people carried on using xt . thats why the newer saint is a lot lighter than the old .
I havn't given as much thought to hone but it appears to be deore equivalent but again build excessively tough .