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 Post subject: Integrated headsets ?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:48 pm 
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What does this mean ?, how can you tell when one is integrated and how do you know when a frame is made for an integrated headset ?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:51 pm 
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no headset cups

an angular bearing sits on a conical seat machined in the headtube

there are at least 2 different degrees used so theres hiddenset/integrated one of which is a campagnolo type . but ill leave it to someone else to tell which is which


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Ah, right, so it'd be obvious if a frame was made for an integrated headset.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:01 pm 
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not entirely :lol:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/tech/fix/?id ... _headtypes

but if there is an angled edge in the tube itl be integrated or the campy integrated

if your looking at getting a frame you just need to find out what the angle is

i had a bmx around 04 that was one of the first to use integrated and it was great . couldnt overtighten and once set didnt come loose . ever . no tools needed either just pop the bearings in


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It was in my head as i'm about to buy a headset for the 2000 San Andreas and that's the youngest frame i've owned :lol:

I'll just go for a conventional heavy duty one :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:51 pm 
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It's easy really. If the headset's had a production run of 6, is impossible to get out or needs " special attachments " for your headset press to fit and wears out in 20 minutes then it's an intergrated one.













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and wears out in 20 minutes then it's an intergrated one.


And don't forget that it knackers your frame when it wears out too!


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Agency_Scum wrote:
It's easy really. If the headset's had a production run of 6, is impossible to get out or needs " special attachments " for your headset press to fit and wears out in 20 minutes then it's an intergrated one.


Just found an intigrated one for sale on CRC, they recommend buying a good one as "they are exposed to water and mud and are hard to replace" :shock:

Dont think they are fans of them either :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:30 am 
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not sure if its my inner luddite showing through but i really dont like the idea of integrated/semi integrated headsets...


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:21 am 
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jimihendrix wrote:
Just found an intigrated one for sale on CRC, they recommend buying a good one as "they are exposed to water and mud and are hard to replace" :shock:


Sounds like someone is getting confused between internal and integrated headsets.

Internal headsets use cups that fit inside the headtube (like Giant bikes use). Integrated headsets have a profiled headtube where the bearings fit directly into it without the use of cups (like various road bikes and BMXs).

Personally I've never had a problem with fitting either type of headset. :)


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