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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:09 pm 
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lancia stratos - ugly, but effective
audi quatro coupe (the lengthened domestic one never looked as good as the Grp B one)
pug 205 - the domestic 205 GTI is still one of the best looking cars out there.

and what was that Metro monstrosity? 6R4 or sommat?


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yeah 6r4

victim of its own success , drew the crowds but the crowds wouldnt stop standing in the middle of the roads

the spirit of group B lives on in rallycross however


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Hope S2000 doesnt end up been a white elephant thats all i can say.

We marshalled on the BRC in about 04 and did all rounds and i think its about that time when rallying as a whole went tits up.

Long live clubman rallying for us that compete in it!

Marcus, is your mate local?

Perry, i suppose you could also say that clubman rallies keeps the group B spirit alive too, what with all the 6R4s that compete!

I just cant see an easy way out for WRC at the apart from making it grp N only like BRC, that way costs are down and a lot of drivers are on level pegs.


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Nah he's not a local there's a group of em from down south,all rallying mad and all mental :D


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Ah.

We used to rally a nova...for our sins!


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It was never the same after the MK2 Escorts or am I just showing my age.


Quite agree...RS1800 with some lunatic Scandinavian at the helm...


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hamster wrote:
flyingwelshman wrote:
It was never the same after the MK2 Escorts or am I just showing my age.


Quite agree...RS1800 with some lunatic Scandinavian at the helm...


That will be Ari Vatenen then, fair play he was wild when he first came over to the UK. I think he is some kind of politician now.


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There were a were a whole load of them...Ingvar Carlsson was my favourite.


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flyingwelshman wrote:
hamster wrote:
flyingwelshman wrote:
It was never the same after the MK2 Escorts or am I just showing my age.


Quite agree...RS1800 with some lunatic Scandinavian at the helm...


That will be Ari Vatenen then, fair play he was wild when he first came over to the UK. I think he is some kind of politician now.



Yes Ari is a Euro MP now. The things I could tell you about Ari in his younger days- I won't as he's one of the finest human beings I have had the pleasure to meet. An absolute gent!

Turning the WRC into Group N would be the final nail in the coffin, look at that BRC now- yes the competion is tight but they are mind numbingly dull to watch.

My version of the WRC would be....

Medium size hatch, Astra, Focus etc. Rear wheel drive conversion. A common supplier of suspension, transmission, axle, brakes etc that is supplied by the WRC at a fixed cost. There would be one damper and spring set up for tar and one for gravel no special ratios or Tarmac brakes for example. There would be a control tyre-again one for tar and 2 for gravel ( wet and Dry). The only thing a manufacturer would provide is it's bodyshell and an engine ( engine would be normally aspirated 2 liter with common ECU and a rev limit of 9,000. rpm. Body design would be free and large wheelarches would be encouraged to make them look special. Rear wings would be limited to standard production items. Carbon composites would be banned except in safety critical areas.
The engine specs would be governed by the rule that they must be available to privateers and independant teams for less than £20,000 per unit- this would prevent over development. Reliable 280bhp should be the target.
The cars would be spectacular, fun to drive and very sideways. They would be comparatively cheap to build and run and as the running gear is standardized, testing and development budgets would be slashed.
They would run on 10 events a year of 4 days duration. These events would run over a wider area and central servicing would be scrapped. Sevicing would be limited to 3 engineers in a Vito/ transit sized van with a one metre cubes area within for spares- if the parts don't fit in this area they cannot have them- simple!


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Well the WRC is going S2000+ from 2010

The current S2000 regs have 2litre, normally aspirated 4wd cars with specified transmission, very few electronic aids. Meant to encourage those without Gp N cars like the Subaru / Evo to develop cars on a parity level.

The S2000+ regs have the same base but with a bolt on kit of parts - turbo and some others to enhance performance.

Good things are that S2000 cars exist in many forms with the IRC. Fiat (Punto), Peugeot (207), Skoda (Fabia) are all manufacturer teams in the IRC for next year. Ford are developing a Fiesta, Opel have a Corsa, Proton have a Satria, Toyota have a South African developed Auris and VW have the Polo.

Subaru/Prodrive are expected to develop the Subaru N14 Gp N car into S2000+ with a kit of parts as well.

So thats a whole host of manufacturers on board for the car development, hopefully on board with the WRC as well as the IRC.

Paul..


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