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 Post subject: Re: Veganism
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:37 am 
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unkleGsif wrote:
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I've only read a few of the posts above but here's my take on veganism.
You will die without animal derived vitamin K. If you don't take supplements then you need to not wash your veg so that the bugs and grubs you thus consume provide it for you. Most of our farmland is unsuitable for vegetable production. We could provide UK grown vegan food for a tiny and privileged section of society.
Vegetarian life expectancy is similar to that of an omnivore but veggies tend to be more cautious in life, taking fewer risks which artificially adds to their lifespan.
Once you reach retirement age the prospects for omnivores is considerably better than that of veggies in terms of health and length of life.
A vegan society will be less productive in areas such as technology because much longer is spent eating just to get enough calories. Less time is left for work and thought.
Meat tastes good! Why make your life less enjoyable?
Farm animals only exist so we can eat them but they none the less produce fertiliser to nourish crops.
We, as a species, are relatively hairless. This is because we are an aquatic ape. If you need to suvive don't go to the plains of Africa, go to the seaside, which has a natural call to humans anyway. Plenty of animal and vegetable food is available on the coast. It's easy to aquire and will give you a long life expectancy, like the Japanese, who live the longest of all with their sea based diet. In a survival situation vegetarians and vegans will become malnourished and die first. Omnivores can survive indefinitely, especially near the sea, of course.
King prawn curry tonight. I'm going to an "Indian" (Bangladeshi) restaurant and object to Halal slaughter. It's barbaric. Should be banned but Cameron said it was not open to discussion.
Veggies often say that if you had to kill it yourself you wouldn't eat it. Not true in my case. I've killed (quickly), cooked and eaten many times.


98% of what youve written is rubbish... the only bits i agree with are about making life less enjoyable (although disagree that meat free will achieve this), and the japanese diet being in general, healthy


Indeed - deliberately provocative and very misleading, pretty much like original post in the 'Explain global warming to me' thread.

Vitamin K1 is in leafy, green veg. so that's why veggies are not dropping dead here, there and everywhere as a result of vitamin K deficiency. Most halal meat in the UK is from animals that are electrically stunned before slaughter, and there are welfare provisions to be followed when the animals are raised. The 'survival situation' we face today is not one where we're struggling to find suitable nourishment; it's one where the scale and nature of the food production itself is a risk factor. Etc. Etc. Etc.

For an account of some recent research on the meat and dairy industry and environmental impact, see this: https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... t-on-earth.


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 Post subject: Re: Veganism
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:49 am 
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CassidyAce wrote:
For an account of some recent research on the meat and dairy industry and environmental impact, see this: https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... t-on-earth.


Interesting, thanks for the link!


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 Post subject: Re: Veganism
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:57 am 
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Taylorr wrote:
CassidyAce wrote:
For an account of some recent research on the meat and dairy industry and environmental impact, see this: https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... t-on-earth.


Interesting, thanks for the link!



Excellent interesting article.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 11:02 am 
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..from farm to fork,
(from CassidyAce's linked article)

I'd just like to point out the obvious fact that that is not a complete cycle.
Something like "From farm to fork to shit to fertiliser to farm" might be an ideal complete cycle, from a human-centric point of view.

I suspect that vegans and vegetarians also present less of a problem than meat-eaters in terms of contagious disease and parasite infection from contact/ingestion of poorly recycled human shit.


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 Post subject: Re: Veganism
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 3:55 pm 
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...which they use to fertilise veg!


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 Post subject: Re: Veganism
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:26 pm 
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I just spat out my asparagus.

Nice accompaniment to my Waitrose prawn and crab ravioli.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:42 pm 
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...which they use to fertilise veg!


Yeah.. It'd really help if we could bypass a sewage system invented and implemented by Victorians. They wanted nothing to do with shit. They just wanted it 'elsewhere'. Mixing it with water is probably about the stupidest thing you can do.

On the other hand, to be fair to the Victorians and show that we are even stupider than they were, 'making people homeless' in combination with 'closing public lavatories' is probably a perfect recipe for typhoid and cholera..


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