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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
PostPosted: Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:59 pm 
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I think you'll find the Moorish culture was far more advanced than our own, and preceeded 'slavery' by quite some considerable time!

You could also use the argument that had it not been for slavery the various nationalities of African descent would still be dying in their tens of thousands on the 'Dark Continent' instead...

...slavery was the pinnacle of the various empires evil reign, but you can't keep apologising for history!


Interesting, or not, accurate, or not, that may be - but all the same, what the fvck (that's the ancient Roman spelling for you...) got to do with whether it's acceptable to use terms that were anthems of racial hatred?

That you seem irked that black people use the N word, whilst it is unsavoury for white folk to refer to black people in that way - that's not forever apologising for history.


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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
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Why not? Given the historical stereotyping and seen in that context, it doesn't change the structure/nature of the joke. Lots of people found the black and white minstrel show or al Jolson entertaining or freak shows for that matter. Doesn't make them correct by current societal standards.

Not a joke I would ever tell these days but when I was at school as a pupil in the 70s I would suggest it wouldn't be considered offensive at all.

Edit: hence no repeats of the extremely popular 'Love Thy Neighbour' sit com.


Well no - but true enough, it was bloody racist - and really, it wasn't that funny. Revisionist appraisal will have you believe the subtle context and underlying narrative were actually sending up racism, but that largely ignores the demographic.

On the other hand, the series that had Alf Garnett in, whilst Warren Mitchell playing a clearly racist (among other things...) character, he truly was more the butt of the joke.

Personally, I'm not for banning or white-washing everything - like the smutty postcards, or the like. But all the same, there very much was a casual racialism in society in previous decades, that very much was prevalent. Whilst it may have seemed very British, all the same it was there, and was ignorance. That now we look back and - largely - recognise it for what it is, isn't political correctness run amok - it's tacit realisation that our older / past / passed relatives were set in their ways and just a bit racist.

That maybe it was merely a product of it's time, and generally accepted and grudgingly tolerated, doesn't mean it was right - it was borne out of ignorance, tradition and dogma - there was no merit to it all.

As to the joke that started this thread - well I'm ambivalent, really - and in general, I don't do the whole no bandwagon to slow thing. All the same, it seems like the sort of thing gag that Alan Partridge would crack, and we'd largely laugh for the same reasons we laughed at Alf Garnett, a few decades previously.


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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
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At least 'Love Thy Neighbour' was honest, unlike the stereotypical, token 'ethnic' families/characters in programs such as 'Eastenders!'


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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
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We_are_Stevo wrote:
At least 'Love Thy Neighbour' was honest, unlike the stereotypical, token 'ethnic' families/characters in programs such as 'Eastenders!'


It was somewhat caricaturing characters that were rather prevalent at that time - yes - in that era, casual racism was rampant.

That doesn't make it right - and it doesn't make everything wishy-washy, left-wing, sandal-and-cardigan-and-Grauniad-reading in pointing that out. Casual racism was rampant, and it's nothing to lament that now it is largely unseemly.


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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
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"White-washing"

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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
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Right, how many of your are black? Are you actually offended or being offended on their behalf? I had all this a few months back when i refered to the chinese a chinky's. All it took was an apology to our many chinese members to solve this.


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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
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Right, how many of your are black? Are you actually offended or being offended on their behalf? I had all this a few months back when i refered to the chinese a chinky's. All it took was an apology to our many chinese members to solve this.


I've got family who are Chinese. If anything, they'd be annoyed at the use of an apostrophe, there. As to the term? Well probably mutter something you'd never be able to pronounce correctly even if you practised for years.

And despite what label may have been prevalent in the past, I very much suspect there would be some who wouldn't like the term. And true enough - what's so wrong in saying Chinese - is it that many more letters to type, or harder to say?


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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
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 Post subject: Re: Funnyish joke...lol
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I thought this was an interesting exchange of thoughts not a finger pointing exercise?


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