Can't you two just knock it on the head for a while, I have things I should be doing!
but debate helps us to examine what we really think and hopefully reach better conclusions......
Not disputing that, just that I have my 'chores' to get through before SWMBO gets home...
Thats my Fridays, right there
4. Look at pedestrianisation of town centres - that's done for the benefits of pedestrians, not saying I buy into it completely, but the rationale for that, being that where there are no clear distinctions, then motorists HAVE to give more duty of care to any pedestrians. Why should that logic be suddenly reversed for the cycling scenario?
Dont be so niaive Neil, I think you will find it was more for comercial and retail purposes, rather than pedestrian safety.
Increase in footfall = increase in sales = increase in business rates = increase in property values = increase in tax revenues.... also increase in car-park revenues too, as shoppers still drove into town, but needed somewhere to ditch the Sierra
Now who's being naive - why would it appeal to and draw pedestrians if it didn't make it more safe and appealing.
And besides, I'm not talking about the eponymous, Partidge-esque pedestrianisation of Norwich City centre, where effectively roads were closed in favour of them being purely for pedestrians, I'm talking about the more modern schemes, where traffic is still permitted but it's all open-plan, no distinctive road or markings, and no clear priority for traffic.
Neil, I'm not going to get into one with you again.... after all, we are singing from the same songbook.... and you will always have the last word anyway...
Maybe you should spend less time trawling youtube for videos that support your hypothesis
Its a one sided system of evidence any, as people will only post up examples of bad attitude and driving, not the run of the mill "ooh, look at that Audi A4 passing me with 4ft of room"... and the increase in use of cameras by cyclists will innevitably sway the "statistics"
Basically, apart from an increase in respect for each other (as if).....we need (and in no particluar order) better roads (although not at the expense of communities and the environment), better cycle paths (but not everywhere), better driver training (end of), better policing ((again, nuff said) , better prosection (and defence) and better training for cyclists
Never going to happen tho