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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:24 am 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23657010

"A number of English cities and national parks are to share a £94m cash injection to promote cycling."

seems difficult to tell if any real significant investment as cut one scheme and replace by another, but seems its about infrastructure rather than dealing with the change in attitude needed where people on the road just show each other some respect and consideration. Is this type of money being spent worthwhile and are we seeing any real changes ?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:36 am 
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Most of it will go into the pockets of consultants.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:12 am 
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Only a National media awareness campaign of the "Think Bike!" sort will have the level of positive impact on attitudes and respect needed FOR cyclists amongst other road users, and BY cyclists for other road users

Paths, signage and saftey measures are all well and good, but when drivers see twats on bikes jumping lights without knowing WHY some choose to do this, or cyclists squeazing up the inside of buses only to find they pull into a bus stop.... or vehicles passing WAY too close to cyclists and then wondering why they get an earfull of abuse, or the classic "You dont pay no Road Tax" bullshit, there will never be any mutal respect and co-existence


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:55 am 
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Yes indeed, a pubic awareness campaign,making driving like a twat near bikes as bad as drink driving would be better.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:05 am 
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But our own house is in a mess too, and as a group we could do so much to help our selves - a parallel "use lights at night, don't RLJ, stay off the path and don't filter against the kerb" campaign would be equally beneficial.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:18 am 
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We don't kill many people though do we.

So altering our riding habits wouldn't be eually beneficial.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:22 am 
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Chopper1192 wrote:
But our own house is in a mess too, and as a group we could do so much to help our selves - a parallel "use lights at night, don't RLJ, stay off the path and don't filter against the kerb" campaign would be equally beneficial.


Yep!


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We don't kill many people though do we.

So altering our riding habits wouldn't be equally beneficial.


Doesnt matter.... If "we" as a group wish to be respected, then we should be be seen to be showing equal respect.
As soon as cyclsist are seen to have a "holier than thou" attitude, other raod users will see their arse and assume that all cyclists are shite, tax dodging hooligans who dont deserve to be on "their roads"


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:26 am 
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Whatever


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:24 am 
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careful now wrote:
We don't kill many people though do we.

So altering our riding habits wouldn't be eually beneficial.

Equality doesn't come into it - the bottom line is a rising number of dead cyclists. You need to be alive to be indignant or righteous.

Just because other vehicles, crap road design etc kills cyclists doesn't detract from the bottom line - a lot of cyclists kill themselves, and we can improve our chances of survival by some 55-65% (depending on who's figures you choose to believe) by taking responsibility for our own actions on the road.

I'm all for better road design, better driver awareness and education, stiffer penalties for drivers who kill, but all that is meaningless the moment a bus drives over a rider head because they've put themselves in harm's way by doing something stupid. To be truly effective any campaign needs to address all the road users concerned.

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Whatever

Very constructive. I bet you're the sort who'd lay there in a pool of their own blood, bone sticking through the skin, screaming "its was my right of way!", as if that matters a damn when you're choosing a colour for your wheelchair.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:50 am 
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careful now wrote:
Whatever



Interestingly mature attitude

In no way was I getting at you, merely stating that we must rise above preconceived notions that only drivers need to be trained and educated for cyclists (and all road users) to become safer



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